From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB4C33B471; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x235.google.com with SMTP id bg3so99618094obb.1; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:32:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n/d2/VXE6JjI7BI+kLmdlJyNxm48xfvbYQ4CbBIYPJs=; b=Kn9cFlE3vYMC4a7Zz0bp94Rhg5Yac3Fd1q9DX7bNp491frlFO23TGnGG5BFs3tR4Cb HqCSCTbP73mHXUB70gqzxSjqiml2x+pPENrpxYkjFwe8rzVze6g27JKe3yLsgW8UQVws 2ut9kCgg4SuvRSnEAIKqKZ33k+wFfu+98C7MuHpZ6QWM1lF1LrQ3P1VDg/4VK8wHSH9h HueZ7rlgy5vz7lFiQhlavX9KYSyz9SyfF3BXGa9sC315CE9k0o3K4hpOhcYIc7DYk9zN QsVxbpoOLbHkyehxyFsAujPZeCsFG2TuogUhOFHDlNpOyXzt+wvWlfUr72bSrpB/nCtg OUAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n/d2/VXE6JjI7BI+kLmdlJyNxm48xfvbYQ4CbBIYPJs=; b=eObYpSyZvxbI9OZEd5B6Z756Kev8Wlw8GcFEyya+tiREti6HKoB6Wb4QP0qxjrr/JN VVZW3AjAcMtOtqaLMjHTaA3N3/sC/14Wvtt7DlWQihF1TwI7tMQVf/6inW4sMYKGuCq4 U0DymT3lJgHUcZ0Y75zUtIwowg6+qdIiXRLUoHNA44qMb7gjV4qGYvOgF/zjN6HwHUK9 jin5Qn9OG8cXTBkckWelmcfuwFImn6qG4uw5bydDbZNHYfGrD0Qz97y+tkXiryhqt12w 8UKXPIiFFmfqPteLzAjRNCAKgo0PiHOyKeFY13lnMd71oSDBK94x91QUwfYACu91bWFC RurQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVqV0L4+cmeWBLVxq3buQdWtK5Peu2HbNyzvmjzCA4ct+0lBN7MnjltjmHGb97RZSGha4Wjl6WgdgN0iQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.230.104 with SMTP id sx8mr3970381oec.61.1460997170095; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.79.194 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:32:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8381.1460995710@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:32:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: "Luis E. Garcia" Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] USB3 or HDMI ethernet? - Are wires dead? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:32:50 -0000 On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Luis E. Garcia wrote: > I agree with Michael - wired Ethernet is very stable compared with > Wireless. > In crowed places where everyone has a WiFi router - the WiFi will experie= nce > random drops. Yes, but we are all geeks here. Has J.Random User internalized that wifi can really suck for TV usage? > There is the inconvenient of cabling the place up - but the stability is > very much worth it - but I've using PowerLine adapters to ease my way > through for a couple of years now and they've always proven more reliable > than WiFi - but they do tend to have a bandwidth cap. I have also used powerline adaptors in the apt, while bloated and slow (200/4mbit is what I get out of mine on the rrul test) - they only exhibit 90ms delay under load. I wish there was a way to get into these to get fq_codel in there, they are conceptually a lot simpler than wifi... but I am only aware of one open source driver for one chipset, and otherwise these little boxes are a mystery. > Luis > Let=C2=B4s agree to disagree. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Michael Richardson > wrote: >> >> Dave Taht wrote: >> > But it asks a question - if basic wifi-only + compute has fallen s= o >> > low, is ethernet dead? Every TV I've seen has both ethernet and >> wifi, I >> > have no idea what percentage of real users are setting up ethernet >> vs >> > wifi on them. (anyone?) >> >> Ethernet is not dead for the reasons that wifi is bloated. >> I know when my neighbours are watching their wifi "FIBE TV", because my >> wifi >> tends to die. (I think they do 802.11g without backoff to 802.11b) >> *My* "TV" (Wii, OUYA) are on wires for this reason. >> >> I consider jamming their AP... I suspect that apartment dwellers will >> begin >> to learn to use the wire. >> >> > What I sort of hope for is that your TV could become part of the >> > routing infrastructure in the house - *wired* - so you could attac= h >> > more devices to it that wouldn't need their own connections... >> >> I agree, it would be nice: the TV is big enough to put a pretty decent >> antenna inside, and it's in the place where the people and devices are. >> >> I personally didn't understand why TiVo didn't buy Skype ten years ago. >> TiVo >> had simultaneous MP4 encode and decode and network; all it needed was a >> USB >> camera on top of the TV, and it's a video phone. >> >> -- >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh >> networks [ >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network >> architect [ >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rail= s >> [ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org