From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x829.google.com (mail-qt1-x829.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::829]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75EAD3CB35 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x829.google.com with SMTP id l41-v6so39510997qtl.8 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q2TF48P9IGz3mmFJglHj2ZX/HU61CWyDFqEDZoALKBo=; b=qnYsJ9IEwQlDJ3/cfEEFyzAWBMSIe6S+uyAXYpBPW6rNyoWXe7nll+yW8GNWiwL8IW B/7KVU/xT3lT8Ih31wysCTtU1SRjXJDzk3W9q4kbdt5DwkibxWfWj0JdMWudhE3dnky1 pz9mEFQcfz37rc0AVKLi6Hx4bp5jlrO9OHmz1GLsPkgLwrLQ/EkwBy69PrUPwQMfP8Dx a9VUWsGOQR1Io6W7i0vAyxir4XSm0DgH9JA+7O2bHoB1vonk7mIP1PGYND7173sNwm52 YH2iaWSGkCJqv686Wv/46EJsejEo4InjJHaW+JGXkGOcnXeKgtVjOUz5IhF2cMGdq19O 2QHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q2TF48P9IGz3mmFJglHj2ZX/HU61CWyDFqEDZoALKBo=; b=tQRH1trjYkF/Zsm9j4tdXNSBod/TLlwQQnf1jDNmMlNvsa5fJDOxpFDJRzbKRYH7C9 h5azoeDdDyj/TSph4SYcOtkGi/VgEwMRWEhKYofWNHHn6EwWdfNezGfQV7AhC+qJCOuo 2JrcqmNpuevu51hwHBZlzxLHvOqEqxY2MUZl3oiVGPAd7sfKXkzuETAXTpgFZBoBsd44 mewQ4SiKXYV+Mz9l5p2T2kTpqV5EuIFHRL1fucuYbBileGsvk34KfkmdEYgiDPydh+i3 iBo2lJQCrBeSMMxCC273bFelOdnDUq0ylkYZ9aEj18+wwieSy6fbJSCFYsWHH719z+v2 AZEw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogMedTpBmptFSI1z/ciu0iHQYW+6mv/q022mlGqoVrvX/hVfZLS THVEx2bCTJaSOss8MVbYTAhg0Yax7muDbnpkw9dUkOnr X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60Pa89NpqayHXbmvdv+iCdrSNeR+b4ody40Vqcam0ugZumaRM/Y3B6C9+DnM15R0/VChLMZ3nIDO7TXVdQVUwQ= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:aff9:: with SMTP id t54mr31638617qvc.93.1539976393894; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <120626.1539976181@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <120626.1539976181@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:13:01 -0700 Message-ID: To: Valdis Kletnieks Cc: "Richard E. Brown" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Wicked OT: 240.0.0.0/4 netblock X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:13:14 -0000 On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:53:21 -0700, Dave Taht said: > > An attempt to make "E" useful died a decade ago: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fuller-240space-02 > > > > Still, it would be a better world with 268m more routable ips in it, > > wouldn't it? > > Not really. That ship sailed long ago - class E space is effectively use= less > until a large percentage of systems are upgraded to support it. And if y= ou're > going to be upgrading all the CPE and ISP hardware/software *anyhow*, you= may > as well enable and use IPv6 and get a lot more than 268M routable address= es for > the effort. the thing really POing me is not getting static ipv6 addrs. ipv4 nat is useful for internal services. Until that day I can get a ipv6/48 PI from comcast I'm gonna be unhappy. > And its presence in bogon lists will make it quite the whack-a-mole chall= enge. > Those of us who have been around for a while can remember all the fun whe= n 8/8 > and 12/8 were no longer bogons. And the net was a lot smaller then, with= a lot > fewer moles that needed whacking. what worked for 8 was to put some essential services on it, eventually. 8.8= .8.8. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740