From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 295C5200373; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaen33 with SMTP id n33so3777829iae.16 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:16:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NMner08FlzDTsq6zWDbMIgTk+g3jbis1o6+5LuYMRdM=; b=jeJop2xHTTE2wsqhuNDSu1bdIOSzH8VKFq2oXQQrchR/+RPAVJqX3L+KKLUCRRux1O Nlp/vAoQdORvmp5ytXCldiLQEwOhq7bIv29Ms0BoGLnOc2pCgReMkCCZuIrG/EaN3lcM rlTtVwDSOJn+lzWyB0DFw/Lxmh0ZbVB1poX2k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.151.4 with SMTP id c4mr2816340icw.39.1323339414964; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.204.83 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:16:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:16:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: cerowrt@lists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] Dave needs to get better at pushing out patches X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:16:57 -0000 The overhead of formatting a patch properly is trivial. Getting a patch set into thunderbird or the web so totally dwarfs the tedium of actually creating the patch, it's unbelievable. I have a string of mostly trivial patches I could have got out ages ago with git send-email. I could slam out patches every day that way and be a zillion times more effective coding-wise. All year I have tried to get to where I could send email effectively from the command line on my laptop or wherever, and today's email server setups have become so complex that I have completely failed to find a way to so. (I note that I am frequently offline and need to be able to do it from my main development box, my laptop, and I have been highly mobile of late) I recently spent most of a day trying to get bufferbloat.net's email server to take email from me, using sasl, or certs, and failed entirely. I've been running my own email servers for 3 decades now, It's both embarrassing to me and unbelievable how difficult it's become to use such a basic transport. And I USED to read my email with emacs. I liked it. I was FAR more productive switching from code to irc to email to patches and back when I didn't have to run tools like a browser and thunderbird all the time. --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 FR Tel: 0638645374 http://www.bufferbloat.net