From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B044B20024C for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaen33 with SMTP id n33so11906139iae.16 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:12:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=recxDUL6vtQP8Nem+b/Uw6WvYgUWUGH1jdnrljEGlWk=; b=qrlhPliO/at6MxdENyjGn0e0G9KdnT0pw978/LmwdVBn5Ti2HU0SDMD2W/AEj4Xi7m 7JjeAmdLdGhacVGsTjb3LCOWuP5llSmiGJNzFbOj5rfeLC3hxaQKb6ujUC17wPIRCDiv IBFDIT7l1gm7ZpihhIfh4IPbN6LquUTg2PTkY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.24.160 with SMTP id v32mr2077327ibb.45.1323072755028; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.204.83 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:12:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:12:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: david@lang.hm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Where we're winning X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:12:35 -0000 Despite my attempt to step back, I can't help but also comment on this last bit: > This would also make it easier to answer questions like I asked a couple > weeks ago about what parts are ready for production use and what are real= ly > experimental. Your question here is very profound, and I'd like more to think upon and expound upon it. How do we get from experimental to production better than we have? What processes/people/ideas can we put in place to shorten the distance between experiment and deployment? For that matter, what experiments are worthwhile to conduct and how can we reasonably determine the quality of the results? > > thoughts? > > David Lang > > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 FR Tel: 0638645374 http://www.bufferbloat.net