From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x236.google.com (mail-ob0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A656A3B2B3; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x236.google.com with SMTP id c3so27329061obc.2; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V2Xy+LS8MZlY1hKFpdoKFAdUpLpNArxL5+Gx3E1D4+E=; b=M5nqSEU5xiI1/JJyVqM+axt80e0HbWB1xYBs9KUH4MjMv39qmbJHLmuJW7GjKsOyUk fuAyqwZ8wgqYQGTKUi79EPtIXYb5nqiKEw1DASJBmlCv1njQDgkgHMTkNUz0C9xdTD8F wqylctTOCJYlgHKfpdJ+NHLmavosAxFktFVeUphxKJs7/FoXVGIvRpQU+fCe/MVfrimr a92PCUyVUw545c5YG80Q5fUhdFn4ne4xfCKBr9JVc27Lnf4Mi2mj+5sbRw445srpToAI zo+hqaz2k732oy2AmzxsMWFydANKG2n/a5QZucJdpzF9ZTmBAEnyvfYBiPJVezK4Arv7 IYyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V2Xy+LS8MZlY1hKFpdoKFAdUpLpNArxL5+Gx3E1D4+E=; b=hm52QM60ba1gVaNUhRIcmlpSj2qec5FnSysl8z58hJMN6WqABwCvinecUUn6N1iBKw 8i8umdzBvEiOTXZQyOYOC9NQoCcxtCy49j9kV86f2Zy7CzZx7vsDEZ26krdTD/t2kmEt 3aoIA5DBPWN9gKL2/FuZz8hl947Qcb+UXLQBKYfQVNrSuM0HIb8EXL8/Bii7tVy2nwWb v2zZB0B/PnFR/Gv9B4zhhkKA6BojnLGj5x+ZSaqEzgvAUhThEtyJYfyYYJa3JK86175l FURL+3+Gy8qDruToqHuK7ezXCRJQL1ajRasODllCJNwf5YUX+jTg83NXwtWwN22zw2Xg 8lvA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKMd4/1VBFKViW7zYy3NCD/r5r/v5ARohGP2CRCqbtibZEzAl0+ISmoktT/lFenoB5zvs1QxoLj1UbumQ== X-Received: by 10.157.15.151 with SMTP id d23mr16322670otd.49.1466522858881; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:27:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.175.130 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:27:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:27:38 -0700 Message-ID: To: Maciej Soltysiak Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] eero gains competition in plumewifi X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:27:39 -0000 On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Maciej Soltysiak wr= ote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> I sure wish I knew how they are implementing diversity routing and if >> they are bothering to pay attention to make-wifi-fast >> >> https://www.plumewifi.com/ > > > "Plume is a cloud coordinated WiFi system that exponentially increases th= e > signal strength and quality of your WiFi. It monitors your WiFi activity = and > balances your network load without sacrificing the performance of one dev= ice > over another. Plume utilizes multiple WiFi channels in the same home to > communicate between Plume Pods, eliminating congestion as your WiFi deman= ds > change and increase. I love how marketing folk can eliminate congestion with a wave of a word processor. > Our cloud algorithms figure out which band to use for > each device to ensure your devices have access to the speed they deserve, > avoiding interference along the way. Plume WiFi adapts to the physical sp= ace > you live in, your online devices, your household, and even to your > neighbor=E2=80=99s WiFi usage patterns (yes, their networks also impact y= our > environment!). It adapts real-time to your personal needs." I am glad they sort of recognise that oh, my, merely because you have a WPA password does not stop you from radiating outside your home/apt. The fact that this needs an ! to point out is a sad commentary on the state of humanity. > I'm reading this as: we setup the APs on all 3 (1,6,11) channels, have th= e > plumes record which channels have best radio and network parameters at a > given time; store that on their disks over the web (sorry, cloud); then > dynamically set power and perhaps other radio chip and QoS parameters to > something a la heuristics: e.g. send X type of traffic on ch11 after 6pm > Mon-Fri. I have no idea why "the cloud" is needed, as the amount of storage and computation required to do this fits into a few dozen k. Well, what I can imagine is the radios sending a constant stream of statistics to the cloud (thus leaking who is on, when), giant databases written in python to manage it, plume reselling your usage data and patterns to third parties, a whole team dedicated to developing the json api to manage all this, and the gui for your smart phone relying on hole punching to get the conf data out to the cloud, so the json api controlling the parameters could make it back into the device over unsecured telnet over port 22. ... and one or two guys cross compiling openwrt and crossing their fingers if it will work in the shipped part of the product, and utterly ignoring rfc7084 and homenet in developing their sort of meshy technology. Of all the things in the preso that bugged me most, it was their proposal for you to throw out all your existing APs for their stuff, and secondly not documenting how to interop with the real open source software they are probably leveraging. Welcome to our silo! Trust us, we fixed everything you've been bugged about! Thanks for supporting us on kickstarter! > Doesn't sound like they're making wifi fast in Dave Taht sense. More like > working around the issues by multiplying channels and squeezing what they > can from the radio. That may work, who knows. One of these days I should stress more that the inverse square law for radio propagation *vastly* trumps anything we can do in make-wifi-fast, that we 'canna violate the laws of physics, captain!' No matter what I try for example, the make-wifi-fast AP I have in the office cannot reach the kitchen. So I have definately longed to see the end of your typical wifi "repeater" that rebroadcast on the same channel, and I would also have liked it if some "meshy" 2 radio diversity routing product that plugged into a wall like these things do... also had ethernet over powerline support. *way* better answer that wifi diversity routing is in many cases. > Anyway, this is what a consumer like me reads it. This non-consumer woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. > Best regards, > Maciej > > > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave T=C3=A4ht >> Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! >> http://blog.cerowrt.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org