From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x236.google.com (mail-oi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3B3921F29E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-f54.google.com with SMTP id u20so759849oif.13 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 09:49:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AQOkg+jjDjRoB3a/SMqx+19aPPIj11ZuUvqWNp0zrr4=; b=a8sVKifKBkxI0zP9i2BTbZmEV9cjvOzCWi5683pXzLfplYNpQNFaN6W2viAYRR2LBs ZwcCCuLnhtYc6zdEgzXdvZ+Yyq2kyNxrqOVHjERxhvsiyfZinOsrTK3LASmsMCQQ1lnY SDFZxN7a9CG9vSuyks3l363EN7jGlzD4fTCU1USJHBvARDhtfhgAAxA+gx/lj8Dj2paL vOkC7y1t5pReTZ+dt/JFHK0a1PH+wENHfVnRVPIqrbMLoaS9CbjEta9P8p1gc0OmID5h QnLG2fERTrR8dDJyzJH8rGEToueFjpWEu1EHBBL54ffRmlDhGcieWdta7Xt9XAa7DwM9 ZqkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.175.146 with SMTP id y140mr11026362oie.79.1418147391492; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 09:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.227.77 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:49:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:49:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Eric Schultz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] New FCC requirements and CeroWrt X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:50:21 -0000 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: > All, > > I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by > a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with > externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members > mentioned a new FCC requirement (described at > http://wiki.prplfoundation.org/wiki/Complying_with_FCC_rules_on_5ghz_wifi= ) > which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways > that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company > had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot > and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being > modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt ecosystem It would be bad for everyone. Worse, since the research contingent making progress on keeping wifi working in the first place in the face of enormous growth, is centered around the ath9k chipset, additional rules and regulations centered around DRM are likely to choke off further development of then new ideas and techniques needed to keep it working. > so we agreed as a group > to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without > harming the community. My view is mildly more extreme - the 2.4 and 5.8 ghz spectrum currently allocated to wifi is the *public's* spectrum. I am deeply concerned about further intrusions on it by things like this: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/lte/unlicensed and we need more spectrum, not less, in order to keep wifi for everyone, working. > I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in > working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt > community > and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware > companies on how to best comply with these rules. I intend to continue ignoring them to what extent I can. Regrettably this situation is contributing to community members being unable to apply new queue management techniques to new standards like 802.11ac, and seems to be the source of all the proprietary ac firmware. I think a first step would merely to be for a big maker to publicly release their 802.11ac firmware and let the chips fall where they may. > If you're interested > in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in > touch with me. We want to make sure that routers are hackable > and we could use all the help we can get. +10. I would like to see prpl participating in the make-wifi-fast effort, a= lso. http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~d/ieee802.11-sept-17-2014/11-14-1265-00-= 0wng-More-on-Bufferbloat.pdf > Thanks and I look forward to working with you, > > Eric > > -- > Eric Schultz, Community Manager, prpl Foundation > http://www.prplfoundation.org > eschultz@prplfoundation.org > cell: 920-539-0404 > skype: ericschultzwi > @EricPrpl > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht thttp://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Upcoming_Talks