From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-x234.google.com (mail-ve0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDE8321F1F2 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so6729227veb.39 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:53:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eTtbcMmUD1wOZJMs60z/M/zavRe0k5PeUIlGNOKhK2c=; b=W8Zex23CzapYBoHwpPmLI0+47zw4uMVze3oLEWyowaArNPPnBToTFc0cWrPSfW/udR 0MFp4Fg/XWXyL0a2VHLP5t+prAxvWynx7P3i2fKfZ/ybq/oF7E1HRPEnWRdrRW/bQbMk U8WoPdqQxlHGMtDRW6Yv6lrjspKzehp5uHz/+X8oKRSi8QEGJpGl+UDpWKjlosr7/SVW tDbunSc2sKFxUbQYeulQLJc3SoYysmcmBVZJUQvVnGfLQ6xEpIWmbOka/7SJ592RQViu qKBj7xZbAoC6biQ51C91sGv1Q5/TJ24O1og0tYRtZ5Jb/Idd/EJiDPEaRfLqWScfTbWj f+qg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.143.140 with SMTP id v12mr6175518vcu.95.1371840782815; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.28.129 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:53:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Battle of the Mesh Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] fighting some mesh related patents? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:53:04 -0000 I don't read patents as a rule... ... but I was just informed that the eff is attempting to engage with defeating 3 overbroad mesh related - and newly filed - patents. So if anyone has any prior art that can help here, here's a link to what the EFF is up to: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/mesh-networking-good-overbroad-patent= s-bad Beating patent #7035281 took 3 years, and far more of my time than I wanted to give it, and millions of dollars (thankfully not mine). I strongly feel I've done enough time in that barrel. (I get nervous today even reading a paper on a technology that was ultimately patented, and we tried really hard to make sure codel went out the door unpatented and unpatentable. Lawyers scare me) I have been meaning to write up the successful conclusion to that 7035281 story ( http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2010/10/who-invented-embedded-linux-based.html before the lawyers read slashot ) since litigation was completed a year or so back, but at the prospect of sorting through a 12 foot high stack of documents and the judge's basis for the decision is too depressing. I AM encouraged that the US patent system has this newfangled pre-review process and if anyone has a suggestion as to what I can and can't legally read in the US anymore without inducing liabilities I'd love to know. In the meantime perhaps there's prior art in the mesh community to help out the EFF. (please contact them directly). My fear is that much of the work has taken place outside of the US, and in forms that the patent office doesn't consider as useful prior art. --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html