From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x232.google.com (mail-qk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9838E3B2A4 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id 1so140583692qkl.3 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:34:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YlDGwQQiW6HtTA4dt2N8oNcGqeaE/dIcodKFnhD/vp8=; b=EsQT9pgw1Ji4FtoTbT4f22j+M8tjdLyGN7x3A2QkzWq53IlmuE8eeI/+zZDF2cWlWz /dQeMFxcAlTa4c7ZIbzNEZmkCj0avSQl5uwzGp36apJyTx9Gn5WulQWU+tiCAnZqbnKE spPnPlJYczcLpsaZyZqWn6a906t+x9M9WEhJJTMMlGYlB3qheGaEC5BiN1FMKpWvQz+Z 9elwiAcTmvtZ+Zc9YltBgNQ40nClAYJMdlAA9a3XzKSdMocGKEIN2gVG550NiaIsajZD nW3E4EF+pK7a59ZFpW60If4/pQh3TQBaLdM1McEdXMBASgjLzdS49Rv03+apo/mK+F63 EplA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YlDGwQQiW6HtTA4dt2N8oNcGqeaE/dIcodKFnhD/vp8=; b=L9rSPlaxvPepAU2Pf/kHI8jtf/SLBXq2g2TaiEOFjv0KR21i6cH4/ZW0KxeWqG1b4d iAisGPAhwoAnyO7mlpxbrcnQaxSioewmN3ZpqSqR07+uSYGz7j3fGA0ky0tO2pEKSN/O 6bG9NFqGpdDWWk7FVbcmSXXOUs1cQlfbAWe5CLewnm3PL5HZq6tPbEzQ2TeO6dPUd/Pf eHXHhIZXx1caS+JcphA3ghAtKM+QJ7E0BnyurGG7rbyNSVqjma0gJ82FH/6QAg1pEsru Es7+Z/1xMJkRPcnqj85kEFsMzJp6Ithczw055Dm6ZOJZ01+tyTZcPYfI0KSvAeQyZudQ vrPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39k3fSiX9w/nBiexwvHg1Td9bUA1KTC3DhOna2YibkvJwQoB4a4DAwPAt3UbNkblxZN2mlo2MrkiSsDNJQ== X-Received: by 10.55.98.144 with SMTP id w138mr15717133qkb.118.1489095271704; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.142.132 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:34:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Joel_Wir=C4=81mu_Pauling?= Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] edgerouter Xes and lede X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:34:32 -0000 On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Joel Wir=C4=81mu Pauling wrote: > I've just bought a couple of n3160 Braswell boards as was getting sick of > poor performance out of the MIP's stuff I have. I have been using the pcengines apu2 boards with good success prior to now (with ubuntu). I plan to switch one to lede when I get a chance. I don't recommend using them as a wifi AP, as you get better antennas out of anything else. Internally I've mostly switched to well-located ubnt uap-lites (running lede). They don't have any of the make-wifi-fast fixes as yet, but ac can be dramatically better than n. I also am mostly liking the tp-link AC2600 - a dual-core arm (on lede) - again, no make-wifi-fast fixes, but.... I put the edgerouter x sfp in place today on my sonic fiber network. I'm not sure where the bottlenecks are, but I never get more than 130Mbits down per host I test from (so I suspect they are doing some interesting shaping there). I also got some kernel errors when running cake with it with (sigh) ethernet offloads enabled. > If you don't care about the AES-NI instruction set's you can pickup j1900 > based 4 port routers off aliexpress for under $100 (with intel 200 series > NIC's no less). > > The n3160's you can get for around 100$ but the cheap one's only have 2 g= bit > ports (rtl's). > > The n3160's are only 6w at maximum draw and so far I've had much better > results out of them than any of the MIP's or ARM stuff i've been using fo= r > the last few years. > > The UBN stuff has been recommended in the past but when you can shift the= l3 > forwarding to a much more featureful and standard x86_64 platform and jus= t > hang your Wireless as dumb switches off of that I can't really think why > bothering with the esoteric stuff requiring ttl converters to get up and > running is going to warrant more investment at this point. > > No one has yet to produce a proper x86 AC router - you can kludge one > yourself with compex cards... I for one would totally buy one if such a > thing were available. > > On 10 March 2017 at 05:45, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> For a long time now I've had several edgerouters in production using >> their default (fq_codel-enabled) vyatta based OS. There are also >> backports of cake available for it. >> >> For 50-80 bucks, they are a *really nice quad core mips box* - capable >> of forwarding at a gbit (and for that matter, can serve netperf at a >> gbit) >> >> But dealing with their 3.10 ancient kernel and foreign configuration >> interface has always been a pain for me, so yesterday I reflashed my x >> and x-sfp with lede's final 17.01 release, and: >> >> they are *marvelous* as lede boxes. Oodles of flash. The quad core >> works well. I'm mad at myself for not reflashing them long ago... >> >> It's a PITA to reflash them - you have to open one up, put on a 3.3v >> ttl serial converter, tell uboot to load a fresh kernel via tftp, then >> copy a lede image over that and sysupgrade -n to rewrite the flash... >> >> but after you do all that, you never have to do it again. >> >> (I should probably write a howto) >> >> I haven't gone so far as to try deploying one - I'm still benchmarking >> - but as I've spent a lot of time trying to get little hackerboards to >> push a gbit (only the odroid c2 can) - and for that matter, I can't >> get the linksys ac1200 past 700Mbits - being able to do it on a box >> that comes with a case, that runs lede well, that has a bunch of ports >> on it - is a win. >> >> One thing that wasn't apparent to me from the marketing and my own >> usage, which presented 5 separate distinct ethX interfaces in the >> vyatta OS, is that, on lede, it has only a single ethernet interface >> onboard, and does it's magic for forwarding with vlan tagging (it may >> well be there are actual separate ethernet chips on it or the original >> binary firmware emulated those, but....) >> >> I tested SQM to 200Mbits, that worked fine. >> >> -- >> Dave T=C3=A4ht >> Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! >> http://blog.cerowrt.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org