From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39A8D200373 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 04:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaen33 with SMTP id n33so3985106iae.16 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:06:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=da7k+Xs9QIYim/G5SYeCPKeGiJQ/YYan/uPB8BC96Yg=; b=Ntt58pQTWUq0Ty6R5bEPIapaoyZbytUnlgNnsaqUYZvBvX/Z1EWn94N2cGDVqXVRR9 z1jEk9d0EGTHZmPLSmNaZR7sk4lXbOCku/10KW6kWrGudVY+XAnUpqjNjC/a3oPHO9Uc K1qxJYs7YEzh7fL3R8AWLFIozUrY7JWxo3c4s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.173.74 with SMTP id bi10mr3870098igc.4.1323345962625; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.204.83 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 04:06:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:06:02 +0100 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: david@lang.hm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Dave needs to get better at pushing out patches X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 12:06:03 -0000 On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, Dave Taht wrote: > >> The overhead of formatting a patch properly is trivial. >> >> Getting a patch set into thunderbird or the web so totally dwarfs the >> tedium of actually creating the patch, it's unbelievable. >> >> I have a string of mostly trivial patches I could have got out ages >> ago with git send-email. =A0I could slam out patches every day that way >> and be a zillion times more effective coding-wise. >> >> All year I have tried to get to where I could send email effectively >> from the command line on my laptop or wherever, and today's email >> server setups have become so complex that I have completely failed to >> find a way to so. (I note that I am frequently offline and need to be >> able to do it from my main development box, my laptop, and I have been >> highly mobile of late) >> >> I recently spent most of a day trying to get bufferbloat.net's email >> server to take email from me, using sasl, or certs, and failed >> entirely. >> >> I've been running my own email servers for 3 decades now, It's both >> embarrassing to me and unbelievable how difficult it's become to use >> such a basic transport. >> >> And I USED to read my email with emacs. I liked it. I was FAR more >> productive switching from code to irc to email to patches and back >> when I didn't have to run tools like a browser and thunderbird all the >> time. > > > as a holdout pine user I understand your frustration :-) > > have you considered doing something like setting up openvpn to connect to > the bufferbloat.net server and then configuring the mail server to trust > mail arriving form the VPN clients? > > I know this is horrible overkill for such a trivial job, but it avoids al= l > the problems of doing authentication for the SMTP connection (and the fac= t > that many locations block outbound connections from dhcp addresses to por= t > 25) Both 25 and VPNs are blocked at lincs. 567 works. Neither certs nor sasl from postfix worked. So far I've figured out That the last 'update' from ubuntu wiped out my certs on my main email box. That dovecot sieve sucks compared to procmail that they've created a new abstraction for mail handling for doing sasl that doesn't want to work and I forget what else. I mean, mail used to 'just work'. Even with bang paths it would mostly just work. Nowadays you have to be a rocket scientist to run your own server, and damn it, I LIKE running my own mail server. Or at least, I used to. > > David Lang --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 FR Tel: 0638645374 http://www.bufferbloat.net