From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x233.google.com (mail-ob0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1E1C21F3F5; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by obcva8 with SMTP id va8so6743878obc.8; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:44:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AKePRWQPNL7MFoZYwCIHIBSC767rDbyzX9N2lOTgRcQ=; b=cwVUlFdQgroYprh4m5HXkLBPSHmA9MHMaPff+b6vBJAJrYf2z4b+wYfC630Vlds68D AdhX7X1H434saTiBxdW5y+12cwNvlVNKD5hjKPp9IsgVU+ioah/vsPnHIxRAnAMePfXD sZUDG4Ch8XxyKbuPRzAy0KuSd7eJMWId7daJW++N5oPzzsa3CHGqfK3bud6C9UXvn/0T 7v8FFnHOhEX0b6wHcy9HcSAzwAffgjEAI9jxxh8ekV+WxDj3JbNzdgaqlaS83EK454vo os75IYYAH8qXy1DUb9kg0B+/B+oNA/jm2Vc+2MWWkgAG6x8Y4lZXiqWmV7UairfyUvcN H+Pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.111.131 with SMTP id v3mr248199oik.133.1425606254607; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.51.66 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:44:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:44:14 -0800 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Eric Raymond , Cathy Raymond , bloat Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] esr and sugarland: trying to remember the times when cerowrt was fun X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:44:44 -0000 In trying to summon the energy to do another cerowrt release cycle: motivating story: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3D4566 Sugar passed away last year, ( http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3D5679 ) - but what a great cat she was! backstory: Every time I got really really kicked down on this project, eric raymond would put me up in his basement for a couple days, or a week or a month, he and cathy and I would rap, and play games like "power grid", talk about everything outside of software, and do fun stuff. And I cut 3 of the stable-ist versions of cerowrt from down there. I did my best to put into play in the cerowrt and bufferbloat projects the 19 ideas he long ago laid out here, after discussing the hows, whys, and wheres with him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar I could write pages upon pages on how each of those rules applied and worked out for us here. There were many other lessons in the books, two lessons in particular, not covered in the above link, and I can't remember which book the were in, but basically they were: "The best people don't work for you", and that a GREAT business model for the use of open source was that "being open and collaborative gets things done faster - and thus you win - BIG - on time to market. Time to market can mean *everything*. " That latter lesson a gawdawful number of companies have missed of late in favor of keeping more patent attorneys employed. I long have been after him to write a new book, with a title like "Open Source'd Everything? A massively bemused retrospective..." - because he A) did not get it entirely right in 1998 - not by a long shot!, and B) a lot of things went weirdly wrong since, like developers of critical infrastructure being reduced to living under bridges - and C) I don't think he ever anticipated how people would try to apply principles based on a software development study to life, co-housing, art, hardware, etc to the extent they have. ... but! he'd rather write fiction now. I have to admit that his first story was pretty darn good for a first effort... his "battlefield lasers" piece was excellent and "the hot equations", (by Ken Burnside) in this collection, killed off more SF tropes than you could shake a stick at: http://www.castaliahouse.com/riding-the-red-horse/ Excellent reading, throughout. I helped fix a plot flaw in "Sucker Punch", which is the most I ever did for him directly... aside from improve his uptime. If I can improve his sales, a bit, well, there's the link above. Great collection of stories by various authors. Since I have been in search of funny stuff to read, I also have to highly recommend his "hackers dictionary". Eric was also the guy that talked me into doing the bufferbloat world tour, telling me it would take 3-5 years to get anywhere, and nobody else could do it, he sure as hell wasn't going to do it - "been there - done that" - and that "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win"... and one time he also said, softly... "and then, unless you are careful, you become a pariah." But I did the tour anyway, but I think I don't need to do it anymore, as enough stuff is rolling downhill now... and I want to focus on fixing wifi, next. Eric and Cathy and Sugar were a great help - and there is some mystic quality to their basement for the development of good software! More people should try to cut final releases of software from down there, for sure. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again! https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb