From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x22c.google.com (mail-oi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D14021F3A7; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oifz81 with SMTP id z81so1761929oif.6; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i/k7EgZIEQOvYHyUlWrtWZHT2G8frR7Us838I8/i+hY=; b=mumIBce0UYvq8uY2mkj3E2wbpng0pffs9GVzQx2WCQcyEa9kGtk8VoW5q9P/yU/am6 zLGQqDT/LGIt/TGgo8iL9qQzd1If0zPKPfsQUCew5lWsMc8uRgADd9MPjkk8TcnS2WE2 GgzL547/wlmeHN72PTcp0bgY5pWkfE1GIlTsq142Oe3Ww5LeyDBZ6lhRr8cBdV0djDjK HKHpQTLhvNsETMnUoC5UMgE6OTDL594jgI+QiSp28Ssq/1xCJgVwYYjuaoRCycn4mDZQ L5qIk/80zWk/Xj0tX7rLk/WFp5jUt/mlBY+FQjlh405FT2WSgLqXhzNQzI7fZpFRnho6 2x9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.47.42 with SMTP id a10mr36254925oen.75.1426200849098; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.51.66 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:54:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:54:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: bloat , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Better marketing #101: anybody have any graphical talent and time for bufferbloat.net related logos? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:54:38 -0000 nowhere on this, huh? ok... noted, will see what I can do. On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I sometimes really hate not being able to get into the fun like this: > > http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV8/PosterDesign > > I have zero skills in the art department. None. Worse... I have few > thoughts as to what a bufferbloat logo should look like. But, > obviously, though, we need to be doing better marketing than we are, > given the enormous number of complaints I have received (and ignored) > over the past 4 years. > > An historical note: We had started with the pufferfish at > bufferbloat.net's inception, and it wasn't until the design was nearly > complete that someone pointed out that what we had looked WAY too much > like openBSD's mascot - we didn't want to offend them, and never got > around to a replacement, although you will see that fully inflated > spiky bufferfish on many an early presentation. > > I saw at one point someone had registered a bufferbloat.something web > site and put up a nice logo but I can't remember the url and never > found out who did it. > > The constructive thought that I have is that now that we are moving > towards having cures, rather than describing the problem, *so perhaps > a posititive design more focused on describing the cure(s)* would be > best. > > Certainly Stephen Hemminger's talks with all the water bottles are > inspirational, > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dy5KPryOHwk8 > > (isn't there a new one of these I can link to?) > > And I loved many bits in the riteproject's videos (particularly the > chasing the inchworm[1] part that for the first time ever showed how > TCP really behaves accurately. Wow! That was awesome), and so on... > > http://riteproject.eu/2014/10/23/slow-internet-more-bandwidth-is-not-the-= answer/ > > [3] > > Logo suggestions for "make-wifi-fast", and "cerowrt" also gladly accepted= . > > 2) Backstory on the current cerowrt logo - it is a "blanusa snark", > and I took great (snarky!) joy in the prospect of trying to sneak an > obscure mathematical object through the trademark office, but never > got around to that. :) The form of the blanusa (and related snarks) > (chromatic index 3) to me represents several ideal solutions to > complex routing problems - and weirdly, it turned out that babeld's > logo is a subset of it. [2] So I used that, figuring someday I'd get > the time to port the equations to use a 3d extruder like blender to > make something really cool, and never got around that either. (I still > would like to do that, while trying to visualize that works for > routing protocols, just no skill in blender) > > Can you tell why I am an unsuitable guy for creating logos that > communicate??? :) Can drop the snark in cerowrt in favor of something > that stresses reliability. cero bugs. > > 3) I have no idea how to represent the make-wifi-fast project either, > although I think lots of ideas could emerge for that. ? > > 4) So... I am cc-ing the only 3 artists I know, if anybody else has > anybody on tap(?), and IF some good ideas emerge here, *graphics do > communicate fundamental ideas* - and we need to do better on > communicating them to the general public and the CEOs and CTOs that > are thus far not paying any attention to solving their problems with > latency under load on their networks. > > Note: In my case, I can just barely see the color red, and need to > rely on y'all for taste in this department! > > There are a few other graphics I have longed to have - take the > classic hourglass TCP thing that you see everywhere, for example. I'd > like a version of that that accurately represented asymmetric networks > and mixed traffic. > > So... ideas? > > > [1] "Chasing the inchworm" is the working title of a paper in > progress, please don't use that... - credit to fred baker for the > name! > > [2] The related snarky math however is too complex to solve rapidly in > a routing application except in gates, and maybe not even then. > > [3] I loved the riteproject video except for the end, which infuriated > me. And because rite never linked back to us, or gave us any credit, > the "bufferbloat" word has 3 hits on their site total - I have only > rarely linked back to them, and I admit to being a lot envious of > their budget compared to ours. I am pretty sure that there are some > bad feelings over there, about us, also. > > Can we put that history down? > > I would like us ALL to work together on creating a unified approach to > marketing solutions for internet latency that gives credit, where > credit is due. If we all start working together again, perhaps we'll > start getting somewhere faster. > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again! > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again! https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb