From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8311C3BA8E for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id t79-v6so5728723qke.4 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6cqjiw1ZpHbCLaCiH/l0x9qKle/BK2HizWLqTtBLAtU=; b=BO1ewY2GpS4Ly4SVRcB6NsB/S2uJ0uec9zqgiDQP7EMi8gek1Ry/Z/49QmORa+XnMY WjKcEHcY6HxyclY7XaknBBfKeyrly6V9ojEfZqSSk51N31OSkZk8ckv/yPRxwj131kfZ JSWJV6HET0hf/s2650DujnyW2SrrWw1umPOtuuyQjwvjMYmrz0HNwVZ2lIcAIymrWp8l nAAXY2pJJ1upB7NVA4wx+5lYzUo+sDCkjCv/Sep8VfP4hh2DJFvWnS5oBzt9dzIP5kXD eHerNWzy3pMMsbQhgY0gJ3Sa153ap4jil5BO5A5yHD3OfYy98m/RYobh/JKk/jp6JYbr cK9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6cqjiw1ZpHbCLaCiH/l0x9qKle/BK2HizWLqTtBLAtU=; b=bTVi+uKPJnYkxmHSgEeCY3k6gcJDvS1b5YgySBmEfE9BKHkg71Z1U+C5GVrk2+u2mh dct/vwtj14CfkfHn/2vQ2jDsDKjaSNu3lA7cSNmGa2PFTTSfvjEG0fg2S1pJDgdLFU9a pI6TuikZSKNoiyxqnH/O/wNThOvnpMo/arTmC0/GeSW3ojobep+7dqOt+0ixuZINhQpL X6lNDOuiGXDn3KVEHNYUCC8+jk18p4GjB8eMP84ahTSfCwfD7Zm76OFVqUJbwbFtoICr S4lBF0QyUws6w6etSiGeY7pxvAlUEan5b0XbxzAd26SHhKPpBkPK4bFOGnyh9x+r1N+P 9p/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGGiQW7EIbP1XZiiCcaNBIyjH8uFVrzqKYIyNkNVKX1yay/5O5y sVb7FPYSaxj7yq/rrDOFwiky833G7kwIa0LEczw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpdNtFcvKeh5sJE4aawJEoGLjV905ITgsqgezbmyYThBTVCI6i9FUEkOtbGSAXqSj+IK4X6tJcZ7soudoewzM8I= X-Received: by 2002:a37:21e6:: with SMTP id f99-v6mr19979147qki.206.1532548847047; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <63972.1532546069@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <1532548188.859320957@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: <1532548188.859320957@apps.rackspace.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:00:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: dpreed@deepplum.com Cc: Valdis Kletnieks , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world, still? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 20:00:47 -0000 On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:49 PM dpreed@deepplum.com wrote: > > The FCC wants to throw people like you in jail, you know. The rules allow= ing them to do so are coming into force. Any new ones? I'm glad we managed to dodge the bullet long enough to get fq_codel for wifi deployable, but given the industry consolidation I have little hope for making a further dent on anything wireless. Sometimes jail sounds nice. No rent to pay, no car insurance. Quiet. No wifi, No internet, no hitting reload on facebook every 5 minutes to check out the latest cat videos, and I'd be forced to exercise regularly. The food can't be worse than my own cooking, either. I could read a few books, maybe write one. Jail worked for Thoreau! > -----Original Message----- > From: valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:14pm > To: "Dave Taht" > Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router wor= ld, still? > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:50:31 -0700, Dave Taht said: > > > I recently took apart verizon FIOS's current firmware for one of their > > more popular routers. It's still running 2.6.21, which shipped in > > june, 2007. Overgeneralizing from this one data point, I am wondering > > if the trendline for new routing products tracking current software > > has got worse or better? > > I have to admit I bought a Linksys WRT1200AC and it didn't stay on > factory firmware long enough for me to check, it got Lede installed > right over the top before it got swapped in for the old router.... > > Friends don't let friends run factory firmware... :) > > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619