From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x235.google.com (mail-oi0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2947421F340 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id g201so53625226oib.12 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tJve2FbjrMR7VRgKSiLpCm+1xLkp41iLU6uV7XJ4saU=; b=G9pMzFEz2mTJzYV1kN8p4k1jNJJQl6IDgkA06puXrEH8Pc9h5+KWPMcQU7ZXGVJA9c 7jrvO7guqXVz4FfQgFWwgeyq+3H3HQz1fcXGBGABORGu9NsmLiebzWYh8TI2Iz/IIVFi /MdSCUctMqsU/ubY3oH2tYd3paQUGetrdkZ+6xEuFTGCVPZINfOWvWG2H+goTR226dOD U/XBo17faUjdskUavhBbLIpqd3NxzPYQQIGIsDKuPw0ao/BYKlJyZ5zM3b6/lsCbr+J0 HNos87dUpSJmmgBPwwMkCcWsRJbXUd0t7Hzjolkla1BaA8hSEOeJRi4IxdKHaKCBnsHJ 4pWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.92.40 with SMTP id cj8mr57481821oeb.43.1420573050552; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.169.209 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1420565177.062826426@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1420565177.062826426@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:37:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: David Reed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SInce I mentioned this crew's work in a post, I don't want anyone to be surprised. X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 19:38:00 -0000 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, wrote: > GoGo does not need to run =E2=80=9CMan in the Middle Attacks=E2=80=9D on = YouTube re: http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?p=3D174 I amplified via g+ and mentioned to slashdot. (http://slashdot.org/submission/4107907/gogo-airline-network-blocks-youtube= -when-they-could-just-fix-their-bufferbloat ) I don't use reddit, but if someone here wants to hit this topic there, perhaps it will help. I am very perturbed by the https interception stuff and agree that they should fix their bufferbloat instead! So should amtrak and other services trying to provide general useful email and web services when they too have limited bandwidth... in an age where people want dancing cat videos on the move and are completely ignorant of the hit on the network that induces. I have quite a few benchmarks of Gogo in flight. They all suck. I think the best deployable solution would require reworking their satellite uplink management to be available bandwidth aware... although I think they could get quite a lot of mileage out of merely rate limiting and fq_codeling at the airplane itself. I note that we have not extensively tested fq_codel at the latencies typically experienced here and probably should! I also tend to wish that streaming video had got it's own control port rather than being layered over 80 and 443. lastly... I do appreciate very much your mention of me, but if you could expand that bit to say any of the bufferbloat crew - all of us seem to be looking for work, or distracted by other work. In my case I am mostly now distracted by non-bufferbloat related, but paid work. The fact that I still have to rattle a tin cup to fix bufferbloat at this point is quite bothersome. With such an epidemic of a problem I really thought the world would have beat a path to our doors long, long ago, and/or start leveraging the plethora of information and code we have put online to go forth and deploy bufferbloat solutions, especially in extreme cases like aircraft, access in the third world, and in remote areas. Certainly the ubnt userbase jumped all over fq_codel... > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht thttp://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Upcoming_Talks