Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project
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From: Andrew McGregor <andrewmcgr@gmail.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Wes Felter <wmf@felter.org>,
	codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Codel] [Bloat] Latest codel, fq_codel, and pie sim study from cablelabs now available
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:45:41 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA_e5Z5zQmdbmOHN=Fbf_nNxiKMX4kO=ubkL=6PR+b+F-HrnUA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1368053697.13473.28.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

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Strict priority plays very badly with unmanaged devices... HTB or DRR will
have many fewer 'the network is broken' corner cases.

Or indeed, fq_codel extended with more queue lists and a matrix of
transition rules.


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 15:25 -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
>
>
> > Heh. I am hoping you are providing this as a negative proof!? as the
> > strict prioritization of this particular linux scheduler means that a
> > single full rate TCP flow in class 1:1 will completely starve classes
> > 1:2 and 1:3.
> >
> > Some level of fairness between service classes is needed too. My most
> > common setting for the "cake" shaper has been 20% minimum for the
> > background traffic, for example. I am unsure if codel is really the
> > right thing for the highest priority qdisc, as everything
> >
>
> PRIO qdisc does strict priority, like pfifo_fast.
>
> If your high prio traffic is also using 100% of the bandwith, then there
> is a fundamental problem about classifying this so called high prio
> traffic.
>
> On my hosts, high prio traffic uses less than 0.1 % of the bandwidth,
> so I do not need to have DRR kind of setup.
>
> And the low priority traffic has no minimum guaranteed bandwidth.
>
> There is no 'magic solution' for every needs. The solution I gave is
> good enough if you need to have some strict priorities, as a replacement
> to current pfifo_fast, and if all traffic is not miss classified.
>
> A setup using DRR instead of PRIO is also possible.
>
>
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      reply	other threads:[~2013-05-09  1:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-01 11:23 [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
2013-05-01 20:26 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Simon Barber
2013-05-02  0:00   ` Jonathan Morton
2013-05-02  2:20     ` Simon Barber
2013-05-02  4:59       ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Codel] " Andrew McGregor
2013-05-02 12:04       ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Jonathan Morton
2013-05-14  2:26         ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Codel] " Dan Siemon
2013-05-14  4:56           ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] [Codel] " Tristan Seligmann
2013-05-14 10:24             ` Dave Taht
2013-05-14 13:02               ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Codel] [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2013-06-11 18:19             ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] [Codel] " Michael Richardson
2013-05-14 12:12           ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Codel] [Bloat] " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-06 17:54       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-06 18:46         ` Jonathan Morton
2013-05-06 20:47           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-07 16:22             ` Greg White
2013-05-07 13:31       ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Michael Richardson
2013-05-07 16:30         ` Greg White
2013-05-07 19:56           ` Wes Felter
2013-05-07 20:30             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-08 22:25               ` Dave Taht
2013-05-08 22:54                 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-09  1:45                   ` Andrew McGregor [this message]

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