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Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Will transport innovation collapse the Internet?
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 8:31 PM Matt Taggart <matt@lackof.org> wrote:
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> This is from Jan 12th but I hadn't seen it yet.
>
> https://huitema.wordpress.com/2019/01/12/will-transport-innovation-collapse-the-internet/

There was a good discussion of this piece (involving the author) on
the ICCRG list in mid-February:

  https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/iccrg/vjbqidV9g99zi5ANAA36ThmS8q4

neal