From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yh0-f47.google.com (mail-yh0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE7DD21F246 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id c41so1858674yho.34 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=tKopUVhhxOLEBFAth0IIh7qmA3HWPiZLgg2s9PVWW5U=; b=QTPEdBWvRPYmGqj85zzFduL8Z6oOZb+oGbWq5zx7uoYkEruDdWmkOvAj+Ys5QrkpOp 8cU9pbaLQeDswB0wqofYH+PIJni0B5q74c5kQerSsLItjsf3r6BmgGX2KHuNGcNiI2e+ KZn/rznWCZALXs++FqEWpmozYMturob0Y31OEuu2XDi9k367BAHUB9W47oBTBjWuVsBk zppnL61iWT84HIpn2iA2tNiO35AmpqnyCDlucJUhJZFDb9cgaYL5PPVcxbhjK/lxWlgJ HrGpbXSlsR3F2hYISlnZUuNEGIekJrvAhxlefj7bz7S6WpUEpwDmbcXzfBa7snwhbTd1 A7Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlEC0WRxeMMce2soO15DIbkwTxnrAcSEUo8g8M/G1LX2auFeURvBJLTBI6A6saB3bQpKCnA X-Received: by 10.236.209.201 with SMTP id s49mr4965195yho.175.1413912288191; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.157.70 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [88.88.32.23] In-Reply-To: <54469242.5010506@redhat.com> References: <121767.1413574248@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <9382.1413826910@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <544672D3.8020709@redhat.com> <58702.1413908858@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <54469242.5010506@redhat.com> From: Tom Gundersen Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:24:28 +0200 Message-ID: To: Michal Schmidt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SQM in mainline openwrt, fq_codel considered for fedora default X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:25:18 -0000 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On 10/21/2014 06:57 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> This is not the place to engage in the systemd debate. > > I agree. I wrote one more reply on that topic, but did not and will not > send it. > >> I would appreciate some interest from the systemd folk into the work >> of ietf homenet, and into things like hnetd and mdns proxy. (and the >> reverse from those working on those concepts) The excessively dynamic >> nature of the modern ipv6 rollout has led to a need to tightly >> integrate address assignment, routing and naming, which helped delay >> barrier breaker a year and it's not clear to me to what extent the >> modern linux server or desktop can deal with that and still provide >> useful services, nor concepts like source specific routing, and better >> integration with 802.11 and 802.14. > > Adding Tom Gundersen (the author of systemd-networkd) to CC in case he > has any comments about this. Thanks for the CC Michal. I have now subscribed to cerowrt-devel (long overdue), and I would very much appreciate any comments you guys may have on our networking work in systemd. In particular, if there are any more tweaks like making fq_codel the deafult, which would be the reasonable choice for 95% of users (most of whom don't know about these things and would otherwise never touch them), we are very open to suggestions. As pointed out earlier in this thread, systemd is obviously not a distro, and the distros have the final say, but I think it makes sense for us to provide reasonable default sysctl entries wherever we can (and rather let distros override this if they want). Cheers, Tom