From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x236.google.com (mail-lf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398C13B25D; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id y84so89450877lfc.0; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:06:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YMGiueK7TBwR7mnf7Ffnl5SPSddUWL533dwPcF33nUQ=; b=1EkaaFSPg2FqtCREq43wsCRmxESl8t3lqXqwsgzJ3n+r478tkF0HyQGoISVdLegJHj 9Xpa1nCHQ0L7t6ZxfHW7pOfTq1qBHeDWYiO+987cwlA5PlaB8zWSl2B2WdsydFOBzyA2 fCA6Fy0Nv8unLjXPAo3dRSg+Wv1T29LDAZvRAVZt+kT+CE1G20lAsPKm3UFvhxr/YSBo sivp4voljbf9ttW3tZP8bV1Lp8rWrdDH7bVg6NaFyBb5TOnXVp9LJJfC1ayjWUNUFQIT J1dn7q+Q4LpT5C/xY4LDEhFHnkzlzslEU14pAF+rEvael9tFH2AYcsevAuzck8LkkJm8 Y3Bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YMGiueK7TBwR7mnf7Ffnl5SPSddUWL533dwPcF33nUQ=; b=Zxau04gqI6ExBn2qqz6hmkGD4nWdpGi4igmnjcICf4naRs78mNFKMGGHmXyJFe9RWA SAy9ndDxu6GgL4S4X2Duq5xdh6AC7iJekNTNfXVd/HrIhBMdNV7WS52hqSKXvo3Zk2sy nesDnGKhFHhPQ2BGN+dCPwhdXB52beUyosUacIfXQlxLTx+dFZCEewa9XCVDhFDpMr6L tbnvKjGoxaAKMB4QrC159qReYXhH8+QBK9eoT4CK3o2k6/ZOd13rphlmL1mpAP5rSl2X YVjhhHND1fWMF2RixXq6FQU604SfO1rYbiAq6I+39SG5GWn9IpNMD5yfEzpmbgDB/nNZ hVsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWyT6OoqAaDqr76jvxg25Q20//gquvkw9aw913+R+akZrnQuroNQwUwFCjdl8JlIUb+v8b+t1Z/tVwGdA== X-Received: by 10.25.151.20 with SMTP id z20mr866641lfd.92.1461859577017; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.24.42 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:05:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F01E09C-FE7E-4ADA-A142-656969C1A3CC@gmx.de> References: <1461849006.60252745@apps.rackspace.com> <87oa8tyhug.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <878tzx4zno.fsf@toke.dk> <4F01E09C-FE7E-4ADA-A142-656969C1A3CC@gmx.de> From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:05:47 +0200 Message-ID: To: moeller0 Cc: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 May 2016 15:07:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Babel-users] [Make-wifi-fast] perverse powersave bug with sta/ap mode X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:06:18 -0000 On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:04 PM, moeller0 wrote: > >> On Apr 28, 2016, at 15:43 , Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >> Presumably the access point could transparently turn IP-level multicast >> into a unicast frame to each associated station? Not sure how that would >> work in an IBSS network, though... Does the driver (or mac80211 stack) >> maintain a list of neighbours at the mac/phy level? > > I believe the openwrt developers are thinking a long similar lines, see e= .g. https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-June/033398.html Why not just sending IP multicast (not 802.11 management frames) with a higher rate (lowest best linkspeed to all known neighbors)? Henning Rogge