From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55B563B2B0 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id f126so139776403wma.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:55:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QMddJajrP7ITQ4MmvpWvDhAucMf9LIZONJTSBmSCdnQ=; b=A//heymzcEBw7hCdstToitXldE5l2vqx2Il7ZPs4wQ3BJTj6PrnD7h879/37neKuvZ BrdgSS0q9H4jU+mMDSM3wNS2XT83VksAFMmcxUyK77fcltWTupSND5u+uZUtUtJ7tJz4 Fyn5FMjEpi2KRqhmgYQEbx5zmLfZAVqd2k7Z4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QMddJajrP7ITQ4MmvpWvDhAucMf9LIZONJTSBmSCdnQ=; b=eFFW06ztUeO3BolNp52QpIre35+PEo1B24QMF6vT9owUqAjSP+wJmMGkdQ4m8CZHUz aq2XHJ2XckXATS8vRxS5dXo7wOtWD9AqT0+wJrtmY8EI5edBYI2tSp1I0yc7c8H0I/B7 1cPYJMb9JJC4UNK+ukKAAAaPbh57zEzuISwRaWu8DCuaI0Oe8iBJ3p/vzZ1ED3bLLUmh UeWPYuFMM0+/JwuM9RZiYK/fKA2XASJ8b5fRDIJQFXaE+aizgEGBY333HRlj4TA8FD7n yHP9ge2Rf1CU9YVy2/l+fmQTtmcJAn8xXHeb4FBxkhg4qskAF7rjfHLNNume8rpS/Hxc efAw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJTjoLb1MDXaj+mQhuGstuO3TifR4uL7mpHKcvcXDsQrl3MgKdC94npnbeFGKLs9rCTzsCqaQGZtSdwD5j7 X-Received: by 10.194.102.202 with SMTP id fq10mr220514wjb.156.1466711720189; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.239.202 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Bob McMahon Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f408129eff0535f76fd3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:21:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demand for better wifi X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:55:21 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:55:19 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:55:21 -0000 --e89a8fb1f408129eff0535f76fd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm, I'm skeptical. To use multiple carriers simultaneously is difficult per RF issues. Even if that is somehow resolved, to increase throughput usually requires some form of channel bonding, i.e. needed on both sides, and brings in issues with preserving frame ordering. If this is just channel hopping, that needs coordination between both sides (and isn't simultaneous, possibly costing more than any potential gain.) An AP only solution can use channel switch announcements (CSA) but there is a cost to those as well. I guess don't see any break though here and the marketing on the site seems to indicate something beyond physics, at least the physics that I understand. Always willing to learn and be corrected if I'm misunderstanding things. Bob On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalwifi/portal-turbocharged-wifi?= ref=3Dbackerkit > > > > "Portal is the first and only router specifically engineered to cut > > through and avoid congestion, delivering consistent, high-performance > > WiFi with greater coverage throughout your home. > > > > Its proprietary spectrum turbocharger technology provides access to > > 300% more of the radio airwaves than any other router, improving > > performance by as much as 300x, and range and coverage by as much as > > 2x in crowded settings, such as city homes and multi-unit apartments" > > > > It sounds like they are promising working DFS support. > > It's not clear what chipset they are using (they are claiming wave2) - > but they are at least publicly claiming to be using openwrt. So I > threw in enough to order one for september, just so I could comment on > their kickstarter page. :) > > I'd have loved to have got in earlier (early shipments are this month > apparently), but those were sold out. > > > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalwifi/portal-turbocharged-wifi/= comments > > > > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > > http://blog.cerowrt.org > > > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > http://blog.cerowrt.org > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > --e89a8fb1f408129eff0535f76fd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hmm, I'm skeptical. =C2=A0 To use multiple carriers si= multaneously is difficult per RF issues. =C2=A0 Even if that is somehow res= olved, to increase throughput usually requires some form of channel bonding= , i.e. needed on both sides, and brings in issues with preserving frame ord= ering.=C2=A0 If this is just channel hopping, that needs coordination betwe= en both sides (and isn't simultaneous, possibly costing more than any p= otential gain.) =C2=A0 An AP only solution can use channel switch announcem= ents (CSA) but there is a cost to those as well. =C2=A0=C2=A0

I guess don't see any break though here and the marketing on the = site seems to indicate something beyond physics, at least the physics that = I understand.=C2=A0 Always willing to learn and be corrected if I'm mis= understanding things.

Bob

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:18 = AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave = Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:
> https:/= /www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalwifi/portal-turbocharged-wifi?ref=3Dbac= kerkit
>
> "Portal is the first and only router specifically engineered to c= ut
> through and avoid congestion, delivering consistent, high-performance<= br> > WiFi with greater coverage throughout your home.
>
> Its proprietary spectrum turbocharger technology provides access to > 300% more of the radio airwaves than any other router, improving
> performance by as much as 300x, and range and coverage by as much as > 2x in crowded settings, such as city homes and multi-unit apartments&q= uot;
>
> It sounds like they are promising working DFS support.

It's not clear what chipset they are using (they are claiming wa= ve2) -
but they are at least publicly claiming to be using openwrt. So I
threw in enough to order one for september, just so I could comment on
their kickstarter page. :)

I'd have loved to have got in earlier (early shipments are this month apparently), but those were sold out.

https://www.kicksta= rter.com/projects/portalwifi/portal-turbocharged-wifi/comments


>
> --
> Dave T=C3=A4ht
> Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!<= br> > http://blog.cerowrt.org



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