From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C8D3B2CB for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id m1so95514908lfg.0 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:26:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=eQniqtCBQx03vXKEzglhnibUcE7/GaV1RXP+/9KC2EU=; b=Xu+uzpnLvsRI/sbq7qT/vfD2TGYjeZuL4epA6iHQLZ9TwvOMyhHaDzuSEDNJ970iuS lev8hm8lhSypHbr2Z9HbqPEQ+HcufWVJ2/SvIL4i6ZdrseU/dQHT9EbRPWCxXsyWDeiA 9bMRPsXoESToXom/Ub494zJ1sBviR1q3+c86NCODTiEGIbWIzX9uC57IW6IFDLe5ewsi Q/8w5QgBUD83GzfpjK2+sqAgUiIF1/2efeHTVVPF45BqD0RD+O7M3OQc8scHvjYI1TFy uhNUsPnt/ubkK/8DUov3Sm/mWJn81b5XzjKPkIlfNtDerwWuKQzHZ/Q5Zsj0CzrH50gx jKvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=eQniqtCBQx03vXKEzglhnibUcE7/GaV1RXP+/9KC2EU=; b=b2uF9NiTb45vf4hy78u0N0e2TevZ7tqa9nin4S+38SOcZ0Jbv3Av0y1vuYcNHy5GM4 Er7Ktnb6/Y6iIp+UQmaBskX2mrbWpi+muKBbg74Eljvt4YP0hx4BNTMcuCyYdDJojThm JmKpH1A8b9Hs4bZlFNikamDmi2lLN4zbg4m5hECa0T0oQ1LifISlzZ99+cCexeykWysP HjI1NuClkFDHGPXlddclIIAMP2WwB+HWwJNtKz67cWS61Yb3PzNtznCikefUMHBSc5ao jd054yPXuYc41wRybG2krfPujbQDZx8nxmdnkC6skrY0ZFWoEOcUyjqSpLxHpfDEXDnh 8E9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTsfutlZOC0oe8tNvuHTsvso3ARFAaoLeTdQgKfTO/UYjdWvX+LfeX5oFOMNeZYvsZfuRwb1pj0eplzLA== X-Received: by 10.25.159.68 with SMTP id i65mr7532020lfe.94.1455564376295; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:26:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.28.194 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:25:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56C21B28.6000507@taht.net> References: <56C0C6E3.6000700@taht.net> <9325CC61-3295-4EE1-984C-8C23BB6FE80A@gmail.com> <1455552663.843710221@apps.rackspace.com> <56C21B28.6000507@taht.net> From: Outback Dingo Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:25:36 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= Cc: dpreed@reed.com, Rich Brown , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140202898d102052bd3fd9d Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] nuc stuff X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 19:26:18 -0000 --001a1140202898d102052bd3fd9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: > > > On 2/15/16 8:11 AM, dpreed@reed.com wrote: > > > BTW, I went shopping for a pure home "gateway" box. What pleased me wa= s > this board, because I am sure it has the "oomph" to deal with up to Gigab= it > packet processing (which is where all the current residential ISPs will > shortly be). It has room for RAM and a good mini-PCIe card, as well as a > modest mSATA drive. You can use virtualization to provide isolation betwe= en > parts. > > > > > > - Jetway NU93-2930 NUC Form Factor Intel Celeron N2930 SoC Bay Trail 2 > Intel LAN, 2 Display, 2 x HDMI, 1 x SATA2 port, full-size mSATA, half-siz= e > mini-PCIE, 1 External COM, 3xUSB2, 1xUSB3, Audio, 9V-24V DC-in (size 4" x > 4" x 1.5"). > > > > - 8 GB SODIMM ($35) > > - 32 GB mSATA ($30) > > - 12v Wallwart > > > Oh, goodie. I've been a very happy user of the nuc based products for > quite some time now (it is generally my main desktop box and I use two > as load generators). The linux support for the graphics chipset, > ethernet drivers, etc, is excellent, the fan, quiet, the speed adaquate > for everything except big compiles (where I am spoilt by having a big > box in the cloud). I would hope it is a good box for bsd/pfsense also. > > It is a really good box for server/IoT controller/Torrent/development > duties as well, and having one as my main router to the internet has > always been an option (I do not mind having wifi on a separate box anymor= e) > > Finding one with dual ethernet ports was always a problem. > > Problems are: > > 0) Internal wifi antennas may suck. Still the basic case and device are > 229 on amazon + memory. > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SHYW6US/ref=3Dox_sc_act_title_1?ie=3D= UTF8&psc=3D1&smid=3DAEELF2HAVZFED > > Ordered one with the tall case. Thx! > > I am very tired of not having a full OS on the firewall/gateway and will > give this a shot. I am pretty sure that things like openwrt derived > odhcp6 and so on will be of help.... > > 1) The msata slot is full length. The wifi slot is half length which > restricts you to using half length cards. Only 2x2 802.11n is achievable > in that form factor. > > Since I wanted 3x3 or 802.11ac support... > > I experimented with using a usb3 stick as a hard disk, roached two (and > it was slow) so I gave up on that and went with an external usb3 hard > disk - and recently found a usb3 to msata adaptor which is working > pretty well. > > Then they came up with a taller case so you can use a regular sata disk. > I have kept hoping to find something I could mirror with, like this: > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AYI276I?psc=3D1 > or this > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ITJ7WDC/ref=3Dpd_luc_rh_mrairec_01_04= _t_img_lh?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 > > 2) Although this looks to be less powerful than other (i3, i5) nucs I've > had, the default ethernet driver does do TSO offloads. You *can* turn > them off and I think 1GigE forwarding rates are possible - otherwise, > cake would be needed. Will find out tomorrow. > > I have totally lost track of the differentiation between atom and > celeron - I was using the rangeley platform elsewhere... > > 3) The edgerouter X provides about 250mbit dual ports for 50 bucks. > The linksys ac1200 can do gigE with cake, but it's still a bit buggy. > > ... > > Other items maybe worth playing with on other hardware were things like > > > http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Port-mSATA-Components-SD-PEX40079/dp/B00KKO6N9= 8/ref=3Dsr_1_3?s=3Dpc&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1455560175&sr=3D1-3&keywords=3Dmsata+= raid > > Gigabyte and ASUS also have some decent NUCs already out or coming soon! > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --001a1140202898d102052bd3fd9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Dave T=C3=A4ht <<= a href=3D"mailto:dave@taht.net" target=3D"_blank">dave@taht.net> wrote:


On 2/15/16 8:11 AM, dpreed@reed.com = wrote:

> BTW, I went shopping for a pure home "gateway" box.=C2=A0 Wh= at pleased me was this board, because I am sure it has the "oomph"= ; to deal with up to Gigabit packet processing (which is where all the curr= ent residential ISPs will shortly be).=C2=A0 It has room for RAM and a good= mini-PCIe card, as well as a modest mSATA drive. You can use virtualizatio= n to provide isolation between parts.
>
>
> - Jetway NU93-2930 NUC Form Factor Intel Celeron N2930 SoC Bay Trail 2= Intel LAN, 2 Display, 2 x HDMI, 1 x SATA2 port, full-size mSATA, half-size= mini-PCIE, 1 External COM, 3xUSB2, 1xUSB3, Audio, 9V-24V DC-in (size 4&quo= t; x 4" x 1.5").
>
> - 8 GB SODIMM ($35)
> - 32 GB mSATA ($30)
> - 12v Wallwart


Oh, goodie. I've been a very happy user of the nuc based products for quite some time now (it is generally my main desktop box and I use two
as load generators). The linux support for the graphics chipset,
ethernet drivers, etc, is excellent, the fan, quiet, the speed adaquate
for everything except big compiles (where I am spoilt by having a big
box in the cloud). I would hope it is a good box for bsd/pfsense also.

It is a really good box for server/IoT controller/Torrent/development
duties as well, and having one as my main router to the internet has
always been an option (I do not mind having wifi on a separate box anymore)=

Finding one with dual ethernet ports was always a problem.

Problems are:

0) Internal wifi antennas may suck. Still the basic case and device are
229 on amazon + memory.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SHYW6US/ref=3Dox_sc_act_t= itle_1?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1&smid=3DAEELF2HAVZFED

Ordered one with the tall case. Thx!

I am very tired of not having a full OS on the firewall/gateway and will give this a shot. I am pretty sure that things like openwrt derived
odhcp6 and so on will be of help....

1) The msata slot is full length. The wifi slot is half length which
restricts you to using half length cards. Only 2x2 802.11n is achievable in that form factor.

Since I wanted 3x3 or 802.11ac support...

I experimented with using a usb3 stick as a hard disk, roached two (and
it was slow) so I gave up on that and went with an external usb3 hard
disk - and recently found a usb3 to msata adaptor which is working
pretty well.

Then they came up with a taller case so you can use a regular sata disk. I have kept hoping to find something I could mirror with, like this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AYI276I?psc=3D1
or this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ITJ7WDC/ref=3Dpd_luc_rh_mrairec_01_= 04_t_img_lh?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

2) Although this looks to be less powerful than other (i3, i5) nucs I'v= e
had, the default ethernet driver does do TSO offloads. You *can* turn
them off and I think 1GigE forwarding rates are possible - otherwise,
cake would be needed. Will find out tomorrow.

I have totally lost track of the differentiation between atom and
celeron - I was using the rangeley platform elsewhere...

3) The edgerouter X provides about 250mbit dual ports for 50 bucks.
The linksys ac1200 can do gigE with cake, but it's still a bit buggy.
...

Other items maybe worth playing with on other hardware were things like

http://= www.amazon.com/Syba-Port-mSATA-Components-SD-PEX40079/dp/B00KKO6N98/ref=3Ds= r_1_3?s=3Dpc&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1455560175&sr=3D1-3&keywords= =3Dmsata+raid


Gigabyte and ASUS also have some decen= t NUCs already out or coming soon!

=C2=A0

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