Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches than x86?

["Joel Wirāmu Pauling" <joel@aenertia.net>]

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SRIOV ports and Vendor NIC optimizations wrt Latencies.

Whilst these heavy hitting NVF appliances tend to be large and span
multiple compute hosts (and therefore are the only tenannts on those
computes) - this isn't always the case.

It's a problem in that if you can get onto the hypervisor even as an
unprivileged user you can read out guest stores. .... Big Problem.

On 5 January 2018 at 10:57, dpreed@deepplum.com <dpreed@deepplum.com> wrote:

> Hmm... protection datacentres tend to require lower latencies than can be
> achieved running on hypervisors.
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> Which doesn't mean that some datacenters don't do that.
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> As far as NFV is concerned, Meltdown only breaks security if a userspace
> application is running on a machine where another user has data running
> through kernel address space. NFV environments don't tend to run NFV in
> userspace under an OS that has kernel data in the page tables that are
> reachable from CR3.
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> The key issue in Meltdown is that CR3 is not changed between userspace and
> kernelspace. Which means that the memory access pipeline in userspace can
> use a kernelspace address (what Intel calls a "linear" address) without a
> check that the pagetables enable userspace access. The check happens after
> the speculative execution of the memory access.
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> I repeat this, because many pseudo-experts who love to be quoted in the
> press as saying "be afraid, be very afraid" are saying a lot of nonsense
> about Meltdown and Sceptre. It seems to be an echo chamber effect - the
> papers were released yesterday afternoon, but in a rush to get "quoted",
> all the wannabe-quoted people are saying things that are just plain NOT
> TRUE.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" <joel@aenertia.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:44pm
> To: "Jonathan Morton" <chromatix99@gmail.com>
> Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches
> than x86?
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> On 5 January 2018 at 01:09, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I don't think we need to worry about it too much in a router context.
>> Virtual server folks, OTOH...
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>>  - Jonathan Morton
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>> ​Disagree - The Router is pretty much synonymous with NFV​
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> ​; I run my lede instances at home on hypervisors - and this is definitely
> the norm in Datacentres now. We need to work through this quite carefully. ​
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