From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qg0-x234.google.com (mail-qg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42DE721F56D for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id i50so77626qgf.39 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:11:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aenertia.net; s=dkimaenertianet; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lpXk4JSc6/P1XNDcMXDPYdan+Bp4rTf/7MssqCM7FEg=; b=aZE1QIlxkSfEuFBPOuBMB1SJT/SHVuhgGLGgca8QKDI4uvDYmVQjEazBAngyp1d+fV 643fY7aoT3YMxZXS1B6hlkv6Fj8gdShRO20VTHZ6DAyDMD/nB1Fby5ZTAyh32G0KeQuJ f1nvhapcFLxD8whM0Uqxku0oYoL9NcGlL5Dfw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lpXk4JSc6/P1XNDcMXDPYdan+Bp4rTf/7MssqCM7FEg=; b=kyMT3CEfpe6Ek4CVDKYfxWf35ga9eHwZjDP0CS1XUHavgWX/ubbI5Imas/A1ShPW3s om+0Q3SsnRWf98nhiuIDVSFTBL8krNu0ek/wgq6DGpZFhyi9w03ay3OHUHtpgk8L0gN5 XpA7L8LzxaKH3K9QxkK6MbQW8d/tgkqdlMlDFdnRM4A9GgaNCHrtBF7L+JmpirfO6DwN F6UHsQAVshg/OyR+cn0WdWg4KGInDFgxMliDNykSsXmjqLEfGpP1IXfBDyYomo7FQKGF 4eLkyLUX+FipAgrTr76VDtFfF2S9jacDeAGit7Lg4MwoVhKRPVIiG3kvHEufKRBHdSj/ lClA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkZUu6NQ59GU8nRDPXtsSgg0ZZ7DUD5u0vSyyObUMzpnG+VoLTNjz/ZZfTwo7x2sqUnk1VI X-Received: by 10.140.47.137 with SMTP id m9mr6342831qga.95.1410487912104; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:11:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: aenertia@aenertia.net Received: by 10.96.63.229 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:11:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5E98060D-99DE-4671-A574-4A104BA8D952@gmail.com> References: <1410482143.8059509@apps.rackspace.com> <45F70DEB-F0FE-45EA-8D27-EEF7C523476B@gmail.com> <1410485067.393724599@apps.rackspace.com> <5E98060D-99DE-4671-A574-4A104BA8D952@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Joel_Wir=C4=81mu_Pauling?= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:11:32 +1200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mKFwlaD2Iv3fpu1yc7TgvOkjjFo Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wes Felter , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 02:12:21 -0000 The tendency has been (I am also guilty of this) to go down the route of 'here I made this $bandwidth test' using some $combination_of_scripts - tell users to use this It's better and more reflective of what users should be testing for" That route is the one I am kinda trying to steer away from, as it isn't solving the issue. Which is IMHO a user education one. But yes you are right, you would have to solve this for each and every measurement site out there, or at the least - the most popular one in your particular market. NZ has other challenges in that things like Speedofme are useless for us because there are no test servers anywhere near our international IX's and even on 1Gbit machines right on the Global gateway I get nothing better than 20-30mbit out of it. (TCP BDP is a bitch in NZ). -Joel On 12 September 2014 14:04, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > On 12 Sep, 2014, at 4:49 am, Joel Wir=C4=81mu Pauling wrote: > >> So if ookla implemented a udp based test, changed it's statical weightin= g and data mining methods overnight. At least in NZ that might help. > > Isn't that the whole point of this discussion? > > - Jonathan Morton >