From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7213B471 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id r78so53629200oie.0 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:14:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bitamins-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=vFZUGXwEEHWRSOd3lq1rnSnsrpyZv5bC+jdb3mfXKbc=; b=JQC46koBX8gTVYL2q155A0HI+CbNOBbhJpKpN+vtPyriLMECIUfWH98yFDnnezoZE5 V6fHYmQ3kUzi5xPfruS2vF8bLqKLmmrVMAtbXiIjEesCxacrhAUqZdgFrhUlzU0gdmOs fkdCtN2bvjaDX+dq7oUM6BkZdeAHW/YS5NmTBb3TrJbVFTYp6sg2pQirpcTwi9nw5J5w UMDCL9oW52Joi8wyFADSoYUCekIJ6PULBl3up75aojy0xVcn2PP7kihQRn9rBhFN9TI8 9GgQihGYDanADwCIKsfNqNh3IGMY8JWyvjn9Z4jhw+z5acCFe47mt94gOqvwR+AMPp0/ FCOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=vFZUGXwEEHWRSOd3lq1rnSnsrpyZv5bC+jdb3mfXKbc=; b=k6sidastKsAAOLXHHJ+PCDXutx1P/b36pyi/KVwUAbPtsLlOLeFBtEtsPbg2PQH6Oa sAk65rGxFXh3UGDh8YGmxMiFBtZsduVgTTFzNInbSN4J5r4f0rofHBY2vcHZrsPEK92t geliMCqkfgVTXj/3K2iAIPx17BW8QpNJRaNolW14TSF3L8i2RVmJdgU9t5SDgoyx1aYq R9DR9YwCELfEwbkIgZ6uChbTGXyrD1vxGtKiPD6Ntu8m+Chv9WI/TOgHKcoYLb6LgVNS /auF8weTNCUrKwTCFj91wstlBSYTlpyir5blyxdpSNLAVj28aEd6eKo2mQfLAxmf2c84 Ph2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXVh7DI/kBL1WyCPFOTFxGo1oEvmnwRB1znTp3RsZeDqF2DgGFvpYti+PXlnSFAA+QWn1QEdLb+INOJug== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.77.9 with SMTP id a9mr6277497oib.86.1460996072904; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.157.6.138 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [206.108.31.34] In-Reply-To: <8381.1460995710@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <8381.1460995710@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:14:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Luis E. Garcia" To: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c180bef1b53b0530c4a772 Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] USB3 or HDMI ethernet? - Are wires dead? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:14:33 -0000 --001a11c180bef1b53b0530c4a772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Michael - wired Ethernet is very stable compared with Wireless. In crowed places where everyone has a WiFi router - the WiFi will experience random drops. There is the inconvenient of cabling the place up - but the stability is very much worth it - but I've using PowerLine adapters to ease my way through for a couple of years now and they've always proven more reliable than WiFi - but they do tend to have a bandwidth cap. Luis Let=C2=B4s agree to disagree. On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Dave Taht wrote: > > But it asks a question - if basic wifi-only + compute has fallen so > > low, is ethernet dead? Every TV I've seen has both ethernet and > wifi, I > > have no idea what percentage of real users are setting up ethernet = vs > > wifi on them. (anyone?) > > Ethernet is not dead for the reasons that wifi is bloated. > I know when my neighbours are watching their wifi "FIBE TV", because my > wifi > tends to die. (I think they do 802.11g without backoff to 802.11b) > *My* "TV" (Wii, OUYA) are on wires for this reason. > > I consider jamming their AP... I suspect that apartment dwellers will beg= in > to learn to use the wire. > > > What I sort of hope for is that your TV could become part of the > > routing infrastructure in the house - *wired* - so you could attach > > more devices to it that wouldn't need their own connections... > > I agree, it would be nice: the TV is big enough to put a pretty decent > antenna inside, and it's in the place where the people and devices are. > > I personally didn't understand why TiVo didn't buy Skype ten years ago. > TiVo > had simultaneous MP4 encode and decode and network; all it needed was a U= SB > camera on top of the TV, and it's a video phone. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --001a11c180bef1b53b0530c4a772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Michael - wired Ethernet is very stable =C2= =A0compared with Wireless.
In crowed places where everyone has a WiFi r= outer - the WiFi will experience random drops.
There is the incon= venient of cabling the place up - but the stability is very much worth it -= but I've using PowerLine adapters to ease my way through for a couple = of years now and they've always proven more reliable than WiFi - but th= ey do tend to have a bandwidth cap.

Luis
Let=C2=B4s agree to disagree.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Michael Richardso= n <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
Dave Taht <dave= .taht@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > But it asks a question - if basic wifi-only + compute ha= s fallen so
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > low, is ethernet dead? Every TV I've seen has both e= thernet and wifi, I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > have no idea what percentage of real users are setting u= p ethernet vs
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > wifi on them. (anyone?)

Ethernet is not dead for the reasons that wifi is bloated.
I know when my neighbours are watching their wifi "FIBE TV", beca= use my wifi
tends to die.=C2=A0 (I think they do 802.11g without backoff to 802.11b) *My* "TV" (Wii, OUYA) are on wires for this reason.

I consider jamming their AP... I suspect that apartment dwellers will begin=
to learn to use the wire.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What I sort of hope for is that your TV could become par= t of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > routing infrastructure in the house - *wired* - so you c= ould attach
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > more devices to it that wouldn't need their own conn= ections...

I agree, it would be nice: the TV is big enough to put a pretty dece= nt
antenna inside, and it's in the place where the people and devices are.=

I personally didn't understand why TiVo didn't buy Skype ten years = ago. TiVo
had simultaneous MP4 encode and decode and network; all it needed was a USB=
camera on top of the TV, and it's a video phone.

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]=C2=A0 =C2=A0Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 | network architect=C2=A0 [
]=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mcr@sandelman.ca=C2=A0 http://www.sandelman.ca/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2= =A0ruby on rails=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [

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