From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C27421F0F2 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 08:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so8751916iec.27 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:14:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ID+ZTLg2q65W0CVwfcMhQEEKmS9PP+ynrkN1gFy41jg=; b=NyOybEZhe8Nsq8MS60yog+xuFRt0+d6fyvxcVyo+WgY1nMvmXNLldawK55FizcOzSj e9gAWobd0XKa2JIMIfrgOYqTuixAd+LqIqakWNND+2whHCHjjaqS+0ysk672IuRRorGW R3ng03QQyujfsmL5OnJEQxRRuyTvv6fmDYIAm0crQ1yGKzupWMzOGrOug/4vpsL9TXCL ISs57XOpv+pEyEtx2BZtPcXGDULPC7W1mTwhp7SThMKcwDH+pxZRq4ugC30KKYKUQF0a euVYjxLGtoimnEUHpzrrisXmmpDwRCzRcnbUZ+hAnTNcBj+zhd+fy/oB7JWhfsLr6KcS cK2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.45.137 with SMTP id n9mr4287787igm.25.1355069688765; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.68.137 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 08:14:48 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [77.65.42.82] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:14:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: Maciej Soltysiak To: Dave Taht Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93403a571db5804d06dbfef X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkmp6p6/lEzX/8MQHGQ5QrPeP76HYRD87JyeThQzAuJOnQkZB47UguUrVfKQ6Ay06B6SO3V Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] bufferbloat and the web service providers X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:14:49 -0000 --14dae93403a571db5804d06dbfef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the heaviest (amount of elements, css, images, scripts, js bugs, ad trackers, all that filth) websites out there? I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to demo loading that in a standard bloated environment and compare with debloated setup? Maybe that could be a variant of your idea below but geared towards end users? Maciej On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I am not into politics. Really. A problem, though is getting the NN > people on both sides to stand down, because the real problem was > bufferbloat - and then work together to move forward, on an > engineering, rather than political basis. > > So, incidentally, while I'm suddenly paying attention to politics, > while trying to find some way to get this engineering effort funded > for next year... I noticed a new lobbying group has come out of > stealth mode, representing the web apps people, google, facebook, > salesforce.com etc > > http://internetassociation.org/ > > Anybody know these guys? I have long hoped to get these services aware > that they needed to help fix bufferbloat if they wanted their cloud > based businesses to work better. > > IF I felt like expending money on a marketing campaign to explain our > issue, and get some funds towards fixing wifi in particular - > > the script to the video would look like this (leveraging the old > "brain on drugs" meme) > > * This is your cloud based business - showing a fast, normal load time > of some major website > > * This is your cloud based business on bufferbloat - showing a loaded > webload go to hell of that site > > * This is your cloud based business with bufferbloat fixed - > > * Any questions? - point back to campaign site > > Then create a copy of that 30 second piece for every one of the web > service providers listed as supporting the above org. And as many > others as possible. And get it on youtube. And buy some ads. > > I have no idea how much that would cost to produce professionally (?) > (at a cut above what jg has already done), but I'm certain it would do > some good, both in raising awareness and maybe gaining funding for > next year. > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: > http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --14dae93403a571db5804d06dbfef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the heaviest (amount of elements, css, images, scripts, js bugs, a= d trackers, all that filth) websites out there?
I wonder if it'd be = worthwhile to demo loading that in a standard bloated environment and compa= re with debloated setup?

Maybe that could be a variant of your idea below but geared towards end= users?

Maciej

On Mon, Nov 19, 201= 2 at 10:28 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not into politics. Really. A problem, t= hough is getting the NN
people on both sides to stand down, because the real problem was
bufferbloat - and then work together to move forward, on an
engineering, rather than political basis.

So, incidentally, while I'm suddenly paying attention to politics,
while trying to find some way to get this engineering effort funded
for next year... I noticed a new lobbying group has come out of
stealth mode, representing the web apps people, google, facebook,
salesforce.com etc<= br>
http://intern= etassociation.org/

Anybody know these guys? I have long hoped to get these services aware
that they needed to help fix bufferbloat if they wanted their cloud
based businesses to work better.

IF I felt like expending money on a marketing campaign to explain our
issue, and get some funds towards fixing wifi in particular -

the script to the video would look like this (leveraging the old
"brain on drugs" meme)

* This is your cloud based business - showing a fast, normal load time
of some major website

* This is your cloud based business on bufferbloat - showing a loaded
webload go to hell of that site

* This is your cloud based business with bufferbloat fixed -

* Any questions? =C2=A0- point back to campaign site

Then create a copy of that 30 second piece for every one of the web
service providers listed as supporting the above org. And as many
others as possible. And get it on youtube. And buy some ads.

I have no idea how much that would cost to produce professionally (?)
(at a cut above what jg has already done), but I'm certain it would do<= br> some good, both in raising awareness and maybe gaining funding for
next year.

--
Dave T=C3=A4ht

Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscrib= e.html
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