From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-x22f.google.com (mail-oa0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B429721F113 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id i7so9554965oag.34 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:51:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=gpZMba0zLhirgeHrQOdmYtVeQmWXx4cEj74v9yRYIVQ=; b=us1sJDr74MP7sjMrdSXLMZTOJs9Lh/gkyL0OhelcWc+bLr+kGxqieHqHH4IXfAy8sT 8CFkoEZSY2mrkvVnWIhK6lM34Qd3/QuFxhe7gEAe8dQRVCYrhCiLjthmhK1nuQo48xs7 fG+E7FFOTe8VN+6hXWyrop4Ib5qrulsOegmhxOtAsFRjbBfO/4XxwO+8+TglBc/k3WwA ZJ8hLmsUDtjlzc46jYRhca58qwQcxUIBpnpLo10G5jE1qR4T0tfPa9Bl0p+ekbRsotrC 6LlGTRnRHGuqBjpuBEX6YFQAGP3BxzfFHgkV2C1z5ubAszoMgVg5HxithHTCNTYMgflI NpNg== X-Received: by 10.182.22.33 with SMTP id a1mr963644obf.60.1389703904762; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:51:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.38.194 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:51:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <871u0aew48.fsf@toke.dk> References: <871u0aew48.fsf@toke.dk> From: David Personette Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133177c96218804efeda7f9 Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] notes on going for a stable release X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:51:52 -0000 --001a1133177c96218804efeda7f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Toke on this, cerowrt with a single supported router was never about mass adoption. I think everyone using it is in the self selected group of people that knew enough about networking to find why their internet connection was *breaking* for interactive use, then go out and buy a router that cost 2x-3x what other similar specification consumer units cost. As far as I recall, initial installation required TFTP. Not a real hurdle for many of us, but quite a barrier to the normal consumer. I've been using it for my primary router for over a year now, and have been very happy with it's stability and reliability. I've had to roll back a few builds, but no real issues otherwise. People that are here, are here to be where all the new development of consumer level implementations of internet protocols and things getting fixed is happening. My 2 cents. --=20 David P. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > Christopher Robin writes: > > > ***Are we here for research and development, or are we here for final > > implementation? > > I've always thought about CeroWRT as an R&D project. As Dave points out > I don't think it's realistic to provide a "stable" release in the sense > of having it upgraded and maintained. At least not as things stand now. > However, designating a release as "stable" in the same way as the > previous one (i.e. something that won't crash and where most or all of > the advertised features (mostly) work) would probably be a good idea. > In particular, crash bugs and things that are completely broken should > probably be fixed? > > > As far as my installation goes: > > # cat /sys/kernel/debug/mips/unaligned_instructions > 154737 > # uptime > 10:39:18 up 5 days, 10:56, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.04 > # dmesg | grep "TX DMA" > [348064.371093] ath: phy0: Failed to stop TX DMA, queues=3D0x004! > # dmesg | grep "checksum failed" > [13551.957031] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [16072.535156] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [22734.054687] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [93252.820312] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [96253.570312] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [106396.003906] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [156808.253906] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [163650.000000] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [224205.101562] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [269216.191406] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [276718.035156] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [316807.695312] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [329890.929687] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [333792.148437] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [399208.269531] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [410070.828125] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [435757.078125] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [441458.539062] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > [449560.417968] ICMPv6 checksum failed > [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0001 > > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002] > > > I've had to re-initialise the wifi a couple of times for no apparent > reason, and one or two reboots necessary, but nothing that major... > > -Toke > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > --001a1133177c96218804efeda7f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Toke on this, cerowrt with a single supported= router was never about mass adoption. I think everyone using it is in the = self selected group of people that knew enough about networking to find why= their internet connection was *breaking* for interactive use, then go out = and buy a router that cost 2x-3x what other similar specification consumer = units cost. As far as I recall, initial installation required TFTP. Not a r= eal hurdle for many of us, but quite a barrier to the normal consumer. I= 9;ve been using it for my primary router for over a year now, and have been= very happy with it's stability and reliability. I've had to roll b= ack a few builds, but no real issues otherwise. People that are here, are h= ere to be where all the new development of consumer level implementations o= f internet protocols and things getting fixed is happening. My 2 cents.

--
David P.



On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Tok= e H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
Christopher Robin <pheoni@gmail.com> writes:

> ***Are we here for research and development, or are we here for final<= br> > implementation?

I've always thought about CeroWRT as an R&D project. As Dave = points out
I don't think it's realistic to provide a "stable" releas= e in the sense
of having it upgraded and maintained. At least not as things stand now.
However, designating a release as "stable" in the same way as the=
previous one (i.e. something that won't crash and where most or all of<= br> the advertised features (mostly) work) would probably be a good idea.
In particular, crash bugs and things that are completely broken should
probably be fixed?


As far as my installation goes:

# cat /sys/kernel/debug/mips/unaligned_instructions
154737
# uptime
=C2=A010:39:18 up 5 days, 10:56, =C2=A0load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.04
# dmesg | grep "TX DMA"
[348064.371093] ath: phy0: Failed to stop TX DMA, queues=3D0x004!
# dmesg | grep "checksum failed"
[13551.957031] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0= 001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[16072.535156] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0= 001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[22734.054687] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0= 001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[93252.820312] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0= 001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[96253.570312] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0= 001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[106396.003906] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[156808.253906] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[163650.000000] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[224205.101562] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[269216.191406] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[276718.035156] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[316807.695312] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[329890.929687] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[333792.148437] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[399208.269531] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[410070.828125] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[435757.078125] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[441458.539062] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]
[449560.417968] ICMPv6 checksum failed [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:= 0001 > 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:0000:0000:0000:0002]


I've had to re-initialise the wifi a couple of times for no apparent reason, and one or two reboots necessary, but nothing that major...

-Toke

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