From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50D7021F0C1 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagk11 with SMTP id k11so4136091lag.16 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:59:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=solvent-llc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mQCy6iH5BjS80LoIuGBjiky8H1KMXljEkoOnkUItzFA=; b=KWJJm5JNCBVmwBfPed8Dol7JdF3SSVUy74yT+4jmhk+gcAWRI08NFmQas+A9Wfo4sK Ne2xFv+bGWCtyWy0zFZtPCk7lXngLh+3/46QxParKioECC9jQ2pJ5cQD/NfIyjilO/tk WHUcHKkXU+pjmkxPxPrZhgH5wLwm+cu3zjE30= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=mQCy6iH5BjS80LoIuGBjiky8H1KMXljEkoOnkUItzFA=; b=oWEeuGLoPMEKf9JxjkeGT5whyhkkc93xNK2/VphBivFOefZsw8H9kQIYBxWJd3RvzN 4Nt24ki1Gvl3teNa644DWUJOMH2sojcH5AYt5EYHX2W5MlLFo2I/KHcuXWrYyoxGcZKM zRCcpfBa29oyWIoXwnOyIrQ1d9lEk2DSuP3AbtIH1HIojyPh0Pori+kTHj6PptaegqpC M5pDjhY5HjxWgnm4yoJdBhIyeGv3vRaF6mhnRTbM9F9wtymZOfOe1Jzk7fy2u4sNVphK qrobvhpeKvfnoR9w9nDTgWShuKzysSpX9LXxLjfehLM4r9al6bRWHiqSebf0km7I0inr giiw== Received: by 10.152.111.200 with SMTP id ik8mr10709817lab.15.1344837593976; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:59:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.37.36 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:8abb:0:8c4c:ca87:2fc8:2a46] In-Reply-To: References: From: Luke Hamburg Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:59:33 -0400 Message-ID: To: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0408913111ced704c71f67e3 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnR4DKQVCl9D0EslA7udG7muB7gzATGH8pVLZeg8ZVYOj38xm5MxQQvTFHJrDzNqyLV/S5H Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] router chipset selection for cero-2 X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 05:59:57 -0000 --f46d0408913111ced704c71f67e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about something like the Jetway JBC372F36? -Atom N2600 (new) CedarView CPU: fairly capable + very low wattage (fanless= ) -mini-PCIe card slot (comes populated with a B/G/N-card but that is easily replaced) -dual gigabit Ethernet ports, USB ports, serial/COM ports -rugged industrial design (all metal enclosure) - with (4) antenna holes! The Comcerto C2200sure does have some wonderful-sounding specs - but for now I couldn't find any available (or even planned) hardware. I realize this Atom unit doesn't satisfy all of the requirements (no hardware RNG, not sure about hooking to advanced interfaces e.g. GPON) but surely this beats a wndr3700 ? Luke On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > I can't remember with whom I was talking to about alternatives to mips > for home router processors, but this is the first new one I've seen in > the arm world that comes close to being one... > > > http://electronicdesign.com/article/digital/dualcore-cortexa9-tackles-com= munication-gateway-chores-74092 > > Most of the new arms are targetted at the burgeoning handheld markets. > A router has no use for video > and a big use for pci busses and multiple ethernet chips, which the > handheld targetted chips usually don't have... > > All that said, the arm ecosystem appears to be healthier than the mips > ecosystem, overall. > > The marvell kirkwood (dreamplug) is getting long in the tooth, the > octeon is too expensive (and the cool onboard hardware locked away > with binary blobs), the various atheros chipsets I'm aware of a little > too weak, the broadcoms a little too proprietary, and perhaps this new > chip from mindspeed would be "just right". > > So... Anyone know about the comcerto 2000, or of anything else out there? > > I figure cerowrt's ar71xx chipset currently has less than 18 months of > market life left to it. > > While I would hope to have finished fixing the home router market by > then, deploying fq_codel, getting ipv6 made default, solving the > naming problems, deploying dnssec, etc and genericall fixing all the > head-ends and the rest of the known internet universe, etc, I'm not > planning on it. :) > > So thinking about what next piece of open, and more powerful hardware > to complete the research/work with is starting to weigh on my mind. > > Big Goals: > > Faster, better, not cheaper > Open source in all core components > 802.11ac > Hardware rng > Capable of gigE ipv6 *routing* > Capable of being hooked to various advanced interfaces (gpon, cable, adsl= ) > > > -- > Dave T=E4ht > http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki - "3.3.8-6 is out > with fq_codel!" > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --f46d0408913111ced704c71f67e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about something like the=A0Jetway JBC372F36 ?

-Atom N2600= (new) CedarView CPU: fairly capable + very low wattage (fanless)
-mini-PCIe card slot (comes populated with a B/G/N-card but that is easily= replaced)
-dual gigabit Ethernet ports, USB ports, serial/COM ports
-r= ugged industrial design (all metal enclosure) - with (4) antenna holes!

The Comcerto C2200 sure does= have some wonderful-sounding specs - but for now I couldn't find any a= vailable (or even planned) hardware.=A0I realize this Atom unit doesn't= satisfy all of the requirements (no hardware RNG, not sure about hooking t= o advanced interfaces e.g. GPON) but surely this beats a wndr3700 ?

Luke


= On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
I can't remember with whom I was talking to about alternatives to mips<= br> for home router processors, but this is the first new one I've seen in<= br> the arm world that comes close to being one...

http://electron= icdesign.com/article/digital/dualcore-cortexa9-tackles-communication-gatewa= y-chores-74092

Most of the new arms are targetted at the burgeoning handheld markets.
A router has no use for video
and a big use for pci busses and multiple ethernet chips, which the
handheld targetted chips usually don't have...

All that said, the arm ecosystem appears to be healthier than the mips
ecosystem, overall.

The marvell kirkwood (dreamplug) is getting long in the tooth, the
octeon is too expensive (and the cool onboard hardware locked away
with binary blobs), the various atheros chipsets I'm aware of a little<= br> too weak, the broadcoms a little too proprietary, and perhaps this new
chip from mindspeed would be "just right".

So... Anyone know about the comcerto 2000, or of anything else out there?
I figure cerowrt's ar71xx chipset currently has less than 18 months of<= br> market life left to it.

While I would hope to have finished fixing the home router market by
then, deploying fq_codel, getting ipv6 made default, solving the
naming problems, deploying dnssec, etc and genericall =A0fixing all the
head-ends and the rest of the known internet universe, etc, I'm not
planning on it. :)

So thinking about what next piece of open, and more powerful hardware
to complete the research/work with is starting to weigh on my mind.

Big Goals:

Faster, better, not cheaper
Open source in all core components
802.11ac
Hardware rng
Capable of gigE ipv6 *routing*
Capable of being hooked to various advanced interfaces (gpon, cable, adsl)<= br>

--
Dave T=E4ht
http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki - "3.3.8-6 is= out
with fq_codel!"
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