From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x236.google.com (mail-lf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AF1B3CB48 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id h127-v6so24510802lfg.12 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=V+bIZREyKTYXu6UbjnrUspfe1I3dSDLcVuJVeObk6XI=; b=ML0thOAh9mYF3tZR2jzgKdhu/vS7n9ihGO1rnaxty7S47scIQOHTyn7Uf8VqJV9rh0 P7GfJ+WE4xxrWD+e7KItOn3XL4JGqS/b4DUECyBL9eHq5T4ga/DoR/TnyqdPaHR0CMKT 8MavwoZP4ZY7GBNENymtyGoGfXyZzFONXuWfPoZ0TFGCwbbzcLd1CijmIF6NmsDUhowv GA1CsBtF9ZVMt6hGwGWOJCnWMO8ZHwddfOso29mcNpcp4zWUP64WObhP3Oh704Hs629x L0t9qkcTjcqpVg4W5+iNGs+xKcD46VmqFvmxBlQcVGXMyRCd2I3GNWGn9Yuc+N1OmlQm KwQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V+bIZREyKTYXu6UbjnrUspfe1I3dSDLcVuJVeObk6XI=; b=oHH2uF3z4/Q979uKTFOX8ZU9cSCfHLsvhpnLLHvXCE/kcXVt4k/EbspvbZ5TFjL6dS gos2SI0IrsKVBBFS0xSj8Fo1lcJcxyyXOAYFYFrvbMA8dj/EqvbrJKnjOREhf5rftoD5 Z8YZl/Mq8TMM9Htdd3KYSaEbNt3v6+6aEW2TjY4mjI01Ag83vg5GNMF9NjAKa/v4xRlc Br6kam6mPRhbKYuiwKdrHoUvgFtUxPTNGNlRabQxGTNiEtomsXhok5OW06l/0PgfDPYK +btr8+0eS4ywZcMSHCNOHW8rDxdBGrMk3S1Lra9CV9f031C8X++kMf/aM9weGE63wsZh vDEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7FVliPAu2tTGIy23ye2LqUVSvS+EycDd6vINm6QH56BtvRRk2TU 38FrnPntD8+PilcL29qRBMOgRsFJ3K9P552fruQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsQdgvUZLmYMU4W4ftKBFVEXwj7Ucp27819EM0o5Y+q5kHHcMUzwGFSkB0TokHB6/pdhGad8IYeqBA1NvJleyk= X-Received: by 10.46.9.150 with SMTP id 144mr5865349ljj.117.1520876052185; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:d71c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1520875105.31683592@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1520875105.31683592@apps.rackspace.com> From: Christopher Robin Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: "dpreed@deepplum.com" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b1768d6871e05673a8c44" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:34:13 -0000 --001a114b1768d6871e05673a8c44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The portion of space with usable orbital paths is much, much smaller. One rogue rocket with a poor/flawed understanding of that could endanger several other satellites. Many systems already in orbit lack the redundancy to handle a major collision. And any collision in orbit could ruin the usability of a much larger section of space. On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:18 PM, dpreed@deepplum.com wrote: > Well, that may be the case, but it's a non-scalable and highly corruptibl= e > system. IMO it's probably unnecesary, too. Space is actually quite big. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jim Gettys" > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:26pm > To: "Dave Taht" > Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee > > I do believe that the international space treaties require our government > to control all launches. > Launching satellites without permission is a big no-no. > Note that according to the article, it is collision risk, rather than > radio radiation, that is the issue here. > Jim > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > >> This is awesome. The FCC (whic still doesn't "get" spread spectrum >> radio) just discovered it doesn't have authority over the airwaves of >> the whole planet. >> >> https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/satellites/fcc-accuses- >> stealthy-startup-of-launching-rogue-satellites >> >> -- >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht >> CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> http://www.teklibre.com >> Tel: 1-669-226-2619 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > --001a114b1768d6871e05673a8c44 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The portion of space with usable orbital paths is much, mu= ch smaller. One rogue rocket with a poor/flawed understanding of that could= endanger several other satellites. Many systems already in orbit lack the = redundancy to handle a major collision. And any collision in orbit could ru= in the usability of a much larger section of space.=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:1= 8 PM, dpreed@deepplum.com <dp= reed@deepplum.com> wrote:
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Well, that may be the case, but it's a non-scalabl= e and highly corruptible system. IMO it's probably unnecesary, too. Spa= ce is actually quite big.

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-----Origi= nal Message-----
From: "Jim Gettys" <jg@freedesktop.org>
Sent: Monda= y, March 12, 2018 12:26pm
To: "Dave Taht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc:= c= erowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel]= spacebee

I do believe that th= e international space treaties require our government to control all launch= es.
Launching satellites= without permission is a big no-no.
Note that according = to the article, it is collision risk, rather than radio radiation, that is = the issue here.
Jim

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Dave Taht <= dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
This is awesome. The FCC (whic still doesn&#= 39;t "get" spread spectrum
radio) just discovered it doesn= 9;t have authority over the airwaves of
the whole planet.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/satellites= /fcc-accuses-stealthy-startup-of-launching-rogue-satellites
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