From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 197AE21F1BD for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D42B2173A; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:42:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=imap.cc; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=mesmtp; bh=1nkfxFE1v7C0Vvm8yF3+PVD7mv4=; b=QCtvwtEkaUFtqo9iVsnYqMXR4/JG kYOUD4+ZxbP+Yn4D6awIqAwTcHixDtn0x5yGKp6Z2YrM20PlgYFOLvh0hY8arMpa JgCJubeQ4YfDJ2TEINtXap/QcO3S0SnTyEka7XoPaAZ3QHkDvTEOGzbUOr69FSMX nBZtlUJ5/nWc4ro= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to; s=smtpout; bh=1nkfxFE1v7C0Vvm8yF3+PVD7mv4=; b=t9 c8u017sUkqXXZzo0o9LEeIrTHex2RZImfdKkcF1U5pHmY38KjyVZjHmpfqIoyWaL pslebgMWIoeoJRvrwxZrG5FG5AqS1p03BI8m1tacAgHs8t1zdzbUu+RGsbpb+VL8 I/03edqgjEI78RPWCt+y0UANrF95Wbmf1lOgVrH1M= X-Sasl-enc: 9y1incNQcIur3JKynDWTfWbl4Zo8lst8XSuWcQgqRgFo 1376516544 Received: from [172.30.42.15] (unknown [188.221.232.223]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 04F47C00E86 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Fred Stratton In-Reply-To: <062C2C3C-747B-4E78-A1F4-988782A1105F@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:42:22 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8D9E163F-C7D2-4361-9ED4-8BDAE349E7FA@imap.cc> <98EEA697-FC7F-447C-89DF-976D469F55B6@imap.cc> <75A28912-5A79-43FD-BEFC-D02C4FB240E2@imap.cc> <062C2C3C-747B-4E78-A1F4-988782A1105F@gmx.de> To: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] No legend for netperf-wrapper graphs X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:42:26 -0000 If it is confirmed that the servers are run by volunteers, I would be = happy to contribute. I note their silence over past months. Running a = server here is of little help. Again, the Comcast funding involvement is unexplained. If they are = funding the open vehicle, then they could pay. I appreciate the links, but the point stands. Better I make the = criticism than others less favourably disposed. As for your router, it should be possible to restore it via a serial-usb = cable, as I am sure you know. Have you tried to bring up telnet, like = OpenWRT? That mechanism may be present, but I do not know what the = default IP address would be. I have posted td-stab and hub rrul graphs, but post is large and has = gone for moderation. On 14 Aug 2013, at 22:27, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > I am a bit grumpy right now, since it seems as if my router just died = on me (trying an "emergency" flash to 3.10.6). >=20 > On Aug 14, 2013, at 23:05 , Fred Stratton = wrote: >=20 >> Nothing is mentioned in the MIT talk. >>=20 >> I f the servers are not available, so work cannot be duplicated, >=20 > The buffer bloat effort is mostly driven by enthusiasm not = monetary gains. So as I understand it netperf servers are run by = volunteers out of their own pocket. Given that a number of ISPs have = maximum transfer volumes by months I think it actually is amazing that = there are some server available at all. I think that no one would = complain and rather support it if you would volunteer to set up a = netperf server to remedy your observed lack of openness, allowing others = to test against your router. :) >=20 >> and the meaning of terms used is not revealed anywhere, the project = ceases to be Open. >=20 > Now have a look at = https://github.com/tohojo/netperf-wrapper/blob/master/tests/rrul.conf, = and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiated_services you can get a = pretty good overview of what the diffent line colors per plot actually = mean. My take is for the ADSL encapsulation tests all that matters is = the average and the fact that is is averaged from 4 flows, so mentally = multiplying the y-axis by 4 gives an idea about the total bandwidth = used. The interesting stuff happens in the ping RTT plots, which you = want to be as flat as possible with preferably no big increase once the = TCP loads start. >=20 >=20 > Best Regards > Sebastian >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 14 Aug 2013, at 20:50, Fred Stratton wrote: >>=20 >>> If it is the 'What is wrong with wifi talk, the I have found that. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 14 Aug 2013, at 19:21, Fred Stratton = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> UK and German rrul server address would be helpful, on the basis = that I shall be using them to test ADSL based configurations. For = whatever reason I could not access the Yurt resident one. (I thought = that everyone who owned a Yurt maintained a breeding herd of goats or = alpaca.) >>>>=20 >>>> You have given many talks. A link to the MIT talk would help. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 14 Aug 2013, at 19:07, Dave Taht wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> We have insufficient funding to maintain rrul servers everywhere = they are needed. There are servers in Germany and england if they are = closer to you? I can let you (or anyone else that asks) know the = addresses privately... I will probably add one in Japan soon and we = continue to look for a hosting service that will actively help.... >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Aug 14, 2013 11:01 AM, "Fred Stratton" = wrote: >>>>> If the legends are not explained, the graphs cannot be = interpreted. >>>>>=20 >>>>> A list of working servers would help, also. >>>>>=20 >>>>> At present there appears to be only one in the observable = universe. >>>>>=20 >>>>> fq_codel simplest.qos 6000 down 700 up htb. >>>>>=20 >>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>>>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >=20