From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2253F20019F for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hms-beagle-3.home.lan ([217.254.130.56]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4o41-1V9rgO1Mpp-00ywz0 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:03:10 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <61D0896D-43D4-4877-A29A-C79E9C383011@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:03:08 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3BF82F93-07EC-44F8-AF98-2FD156A9A43F@gmail.com> <9EA0DCA1-79CF-48EF-9864-A51807F331B5@gmx.de> <61D0896D-43D4-4877-A29A-C79E9C383011@gmail.com> To: Rich Brown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:gSuutOQKWUB86N9WJErjoEYSF26atuJpKJCHu723/S/VtpoBvy/ UGxow/J0mIR9vF769BjG7i6rNAVGvabkGRH/j8uWv0PB4wzk5iWh1aC5OJim1VzvOkw6w3B 6v239SV+lyWShNaWD7VUsfVdkq9FpzOaw3CJjAtO4Rp6vHtflPiN0wDzveY4kVsdrqWvelS JxBmLstGLGYJBna4nfo/Q== Cc: cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Perfection vs. Good Enough X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:03:53 -0000 Hi Rich, On Jan 11, 2014, at 19:47 , Rich Brown wrote: > Hi Sebastian, >=20 >> It is quite clear to me, that I failed to explain the matters = surrounding ATM links properly. But if I can not explain this to a small = group of technical experts there is no chance for me to explain this to = lay persons. I will try my best to contribute to the "more than you ever = wanted to know about link layer adaptation" page. >=20 > Oh dear, please don=92t think that.=20 Oh, I am sure there are people with more insight, who could = explain the complications away, just I am not one of those :) I think = you strike a good balance in the description of being informative and = improving the typical user's experience with frightening people away = with too much detail. I am happy to help with the scary part on the = details page... >=20 > You really have done a great job describing the problems of ATM links. = I have snagged all the relevant points from the Link Layer discussion, = and plan to include them in the =93more than you want to know=85=94 = page. Your points A-G describing link framing in = https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2014-January/001963.= html will be a major part of the discussion. Note, I do not do networking for a living, so there will be = inaccuracies in there (I tried my best though) >=20 > But the fact that we can see many ways to improve the software = shouldn=92t stop us from celebrating our immense success to date. One = way to do this would be by shipping a stable version to the world to = try. And to do that, we need to provide good enough instructions that=92ll= work for new people, and all the details for those who want to dig = further. Oh, yes, and I think your wiki page gets this balance right. >=20 > On the other hand, I won=92t say No to any help you want to provide. = :-) I know you=92re busy, so I=92m happy to take a shot at it later this = week. Thanks for all you=92ve contributed to the conversation. >=20 Best Sebastian > Rich