From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9A513B260 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 01:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from android-e628ebfc81ac7448.lan ([80.135.112.56]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2cYX-1bFwyQ22Nx-00sOZD; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:52:07 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <5efaf086-bdd1-040e-8b03-3681ff51dbe7@taht.net> References: <61560A41-426F-4249-BFD1-1F6B113A5FAE@gmx.de> <1471040770.005522667@apps.rackspace.com> <5efaf086-bdd1-040e-8b03-3681ff51dbe7@taht.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----KEV1HTZ3CUT8HI4ZIR23ZSPSLUOLD4" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sebastian Moeller Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:52:03 +0200 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?= , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:p8oM5Dkm48Ux75TPCJ5fqUcsPJvvqGmbDDz0OB6aqRm+yz4M0tQ KSD2J7PYuSACuF+dHB/bP4EwESFSQAlboycP+d3G/KD6A80T15WxiDxknuua+UWg3gAKDQ6 jWiglQO5mQ7jl4BKToDBF66SfOMXewJgVaTnduoGwdv5RtP7Z8TFlHNxh6IxH/BdI1qXyhF g6YGBrhMtcFmlelNEYSHg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZYFAw7PNxfk=:uoUmEUvkc4jMm8+36lCk2H /z8lVG/yomJ92ig1oX4+qCo1VCzwHQHwCqYjJIALJ70iyGrzcmiJPI56USs40TtEagrdkFtyv 8r1+N8xPEJViCyRS9Qja0rVwZWcXxHayyuQxTwZFDu/qLW9xRXDjcqFcQ6PTi/IA5lzjDlZbr /EcHwkyLicXWKPkNvRNGRosU8IQs2lxkMJijBBOZzNluQiFAJ3B0WfTkUYAHYqEdv2Gcj1sxU o2dcau5o2sKaYrnjMWWQ2rY1XpxA+S/4FUrgrhBBS5OEwK6rY5l6AymzwFvw8YVXrf+uBU5G0 8dLXom1BnO75nMfpK29pR1GCTgH15rbi/2n/fb3BBoeyT6ScTkHf5HRy3ge/cLHCGWpUAuSTb b3q2LR+ge+FTnvPxz8Eu/ySuMyE5JPvGttQN3+uIoyCJP7t/YMyra6dl0NzEDlprVmZEqvhdL jGp5W0cBOnD6JuQ7d/Ffv3QCVc5fCs458TY4rFuDqwQBuH0EYUTEhbLDbJEX9CbprvMJik1OC h6YyJYXmZE6h+u1RrZL/z/q8XYxy6DvSxa5PaIXxh4EDbPsG19NTJEwc+lIHDoPwTUBYvX9in mCECGnXJITiMdcKDJdcqajjEGYmFkjajd7wnE+SUGdUuLWV4T59oUBv6g/e8/VqkT6LxhFpP4 FyLcN0rj2lapY9uDSdy9BW7s7E3jix3KOISuS8YuDpsCONpvga03GVilU1Pr4iryTvnaAFJ8/ 2hWm9xLS0MIxx2lnWz2TQ3c57wb1k7qyLY3BfgZt4ma85FZplDaeCqsH3g0UVtnjjdiC+FXIc m8g35wY Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Making AQM harder... X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 05:52:10 -0000 ------KEV1HTZ3CUT8HI4ZIR23ZSPSLUOLD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,=20 It looks like I forgot the link to the ms announcement: https://blogs=2Etechnet=2Emicrosoft=2Ecom/networking/2016/07/18/announcing= -new-transport-advancements-in-the-anniversary-update-for-windows-10-and-wi= ndows-server-2016/ On August 13, 2016 12:27:14 AM GMT+02:00, "Dave T=C3=A4ht" wrote: > > >On 8/13/16 12:26 AM, dpreed@reed=2Ecom wrote: >> Maybe we all need to buy some Sandvine devices for our homes that >detect IW10 and forge TCP RSTs? Or maybe Ellacoya will develop one for >consumers? >>=20 >> That's what Comcast did when bufferbloat was killing their gear on >upload, as I'm sure we all remember=2E Except the FCC is not going to >ask me to testify on network management practices, nor is the CRTC or >Ofcom, and a lame duck commission or a Brexiting UK is not going to >stop folks from deploying DPI and packet forging technology=2E >>=20 >> So maybe the point of cake is past time=2E Let chaos reign=2E > >It is always darkest before the dawn=2E >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Friday, August 12, 2016 9:21am, "moeller0" said: >>=20 >>> Hi List, >>> >>> according to (which most of you probably know already) MS is jumping >on the IW10 >>> train, so brace for impact ;) Also windows =E2=80=9Cexposes=E2=80=9D L= EDBAT, if >>> =E2=80=9CLEDBAT is only exposed through an undocumented socket option = at the >>> moment=E2=80=9D can actually be called exposure=E2=80=A6 >>> Also I noticed some discussions of windows 10 update traffic, >effectively >>> monopolizing links with (competent) AQWM/QoS setups, it seems we >need cake to >>> fully bake soon ;) >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Sebastian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>> Cerowrt-devel@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >>> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>> >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>=20 >_______________________________________________ >Cerowrt-devel mailing list >Cerowrt-devel@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cerowrt-devel --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------KEV1HTZ3CUT8HI4ZIR23ZSPSLUOLD4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,

It looks like I forgot the link to the ms announcement:
https://blogs=2Etechnet=2Emicrosoft=2Ecom/net= working/2016/07/18/announcing-new-transport-advancements-in-the-anniversary= -update-for-windows-10-and-windows-server-2016/



On August 13, 2016 12:27:14 AM GMT+02:0= 0, "Dave T=C3=A4ht" <dave@taht=2Enet> wrote:


On 8/13/16 12:26 AM, dpreed@reed=2Ecom w=
rote:
 Maybe we all n=
eed to buy some Sandvine devices for our homes that detect IW10 and forge T=
CP RSTs?  Or maybe Ellacoya will develop one for consumers?
 
 Th=
at's what Comcast did when bufferbloat was killing their gear on upload, as=
 I'm sure we all remember=2E  Except the FCC is not going to ask me to test=
ify on network management practices, nor is the CRTC or Ofcom, and a lame d=
uck commission or a Brexiting UK is not going to stop folks from deploying =
DPI and packet forging technology=2E
 
 So maybe the point of cak=
e is past time=2E Let chaos reign=2E

It is always d=
arkest before the dawn=2E
 
 
 
 On Friday, August 12, 2016 9:21am, "moeller0" &l=
t;moeller0@gmx=2Ede> said:
 
 Hi List,

 according to (which most of you proba=
bly know already) MS is jumping on the IW10
 train, so brace for impac=
t ;) Also windows =E2=80=9Cexposes=E2=80=9D LEDBAT, if
 =E2=80=9CLEDBA=
T is only exposed through an undocumented socket option at the
 moment=
=E2=80=9D can actually be called exposure=E2=80=A6
  Also I noticed so=
me discussions of windows 10 update traffic, effectively
 monopolizing=
 links with (competent) AQWM/QoS setups, it seems we need cake to
 ful=
ly bake soon ;)


 Best Regards
  Sebastian
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