From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x236.google.com (mail-lf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68D2121F722 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 02:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lffz202 with SMTP id z202so141557796lff.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 02:53:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WH8To4RlW7g0uXH2pNuEQMjjd/B26Tj8mBXvBRXN3JY=; b=A1JiSyVfgl5eGj3RlUdPQcbiG+Gc77IZb3A5nD2xE+Zgf+GVzyVY/sHWANpU3HSPm/ ZCV8hM8KO/6sXGE9PIL4upceY4XhqUTpchs95QKsyIRv1A5BQBRUKLxSjDVG71ikreiy 0A1RvROCwrSn0ufxpBzIeMZnUjE2go15PG29MAqQT6W4MDHSqVG5ItUKXdmkN4WIH/S4 Mcxcm6UH7nN0pCxHUOvV0GXAQjS5gem1KYEjiOT1MuChTgbIojOajp3aeYIBiNicrx2y c9ut0mHR57MXCPVqPvtGLFtYEDWlEMkthPGa6EtKyP+rHrDQkpqo6iMx0diDJ6KiGHmX JUlw== X-Received: by 10.112.138.138 with SMTP id qq10mr16485112lbb.45.1445853223750; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 02:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (83-245-237-115-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.237.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id zz9sm5742646lbb.32.2015.10.26.02.53.42 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 02:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:53:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <562A5BE5.6010101@gmail.com> <12883.1445625688@sandelman.ca> <562A9611.4050403@gmail.com> <931be41d-68b7-4fea-9d4e-14bf1636e9bc@reed.com> <545AA548-7012-4BFF-A177-3F68EB6D78D6@gmail.com> To: David Lang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Problems testing sqm X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:54:09 -0000 > On 26 Oct, 2015, at 01:21, David Lang wrote: >=20 > bandwidth throttling is actually a much harder thing to do well under = all conditiions than eliminating bufferbloat. That=E2=80=99s arguable, but when it goes wrong it usually results in = underperformance rather than a firehose, assuming it=E2=80=99s working = at all. - Jonathan Morton