From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 713913B2A4 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id r13-v6so1641782ljg.10 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=qGgCaU/+rUN4fs8rX3z7T1v84ZHKrAo/YO11axYrvuA=; b=tgIargtsRD8wG0QgVk5ac+znmQvBYvcW5SSnuCoXbBJ5KbGFV7gveeZOE76oWWT2FV jJ4aVuhVxyl4MdAuVnmqhHvRXjMG3F1tfNsviLlZsJpNpyTD1s6p7lws++aKgMR1SSTr pSXfgGB9DLPdzLpxgi45GQCVX1WLdHVzre+O7wSLt8tropt7EJ9ZtOKKnLwiQOigngzZ 7Y+zqo4qubiVSwOc959JbM6aPHRu97g8snobeHHSPRmPdN84Os8t1GzLjAp/VlxLpnLS hybueJG+n2GdGVRYjFOnEfibTQNbL9ebNUlQXFCC4hn/AYvH8lQB8BDWcotwo8pP01/f t11Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=qGgCaU/+rUN4fs8rX3z7T1v84ZHKrAo/YO11axYrvuA=; b=i5lz+W97qF8R8zxUzIaCZm6QVSBHa6msCvcIQ5rImxQX9IsI4cFya7gjMTSngRalzW dl6bCmliEf/aDuhSO5t+t1QMSwXxQMVN/9NKTp0fZLWTp5ffFutVmhPsAPYwnwa7O6Bj nuZIikzy+/DmgXq1gXx+HLE6b5LgmbUzqlYaqTqgWJtq/IpoM2L5mOccSLoIUYdkSbOu cZBLkRGmTxQ02gF5ActHn3gUsLqPz3XW8ej8jUkAUSNLSM+lcdqyEg0dGN2TlECZssVx VMShBQZbzT5/CvaOJmKLjHsRIFR3poVWZ7R3srQRWhl1YiB7DdDA32naDOySAI4pzAzG Ekmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFLRZQazygybTOOoINlWmjX43M9iVOpPZM5kHzBETOzZi2xI1Bo ZRgR2ksOP4M0qVRfzCB3m7A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcnrPa8pqeZRn7NVUfIcROkFrJRCaO6EZi/rDzI1+WWXws6OHHfVoOZPW/xn3jb9SigoUiP8Q== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8807:: with SMTP id x7-v6mr1858322ljh.98.1532614386410; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-232-26-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.232.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m9-v6sm199592lfg.0.2018.07.26.07.13.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:13:04 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world, still? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:13:07 -0000 > On 26 Jul, 2018, at 11:53 am, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > they seem to live in a world where you take a linux kernel that's = announced as LTS (in the best of worlds), work on that for 1-2 years = during which you release an SDK, which then the device manufacturers = will take and start putting their solutions on, which takes another 1-2 = years before it reaches customers. This in itself sounds like a colossal waste of developer man-hours. = Which really just serves to underline how clueless CPE vendors are - = about their core business, no less. They obviously have a lot more resources than we do. What could *we* do = with that level of funding and organisation? Take six months, and put = out a router that *doesn't* suck for a change! - Jonathan Morton