From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-x22e.google.com (mail-lb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABBE121F309 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbblx11 with SMTP id lx11so35645660lbb.3 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:15:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=+0+4bUMauU6UtRekrCgP72elkOPVUoleE6NqMENP4q4=; b=PeOxRAyYMbwZrVew1Jp7HF7yduwlfOAuONtAxzthSgD+2oC42YNqUkEcOhD1OkxB7H S1xSDCoSrzelUxyji0M7t/egoPRkB1QokPGuAms7oqvPE36Cy10R4vISCJgJ2IX6EJVh KofA8UYWVYyjrByqHgfctpv9hRMZjebGhhQmCfZDzTdLjDMBdtUob46JoXUjViJkeLrm o4MRdt7hz6KZmbhyT/6B4Qo28k4f9+9L3hsI7Xq5OJV1qGcvJen5eJwVdMGcHa0cKBle y61RjyZOM9TqzGRzuUxLzFQ0uOXjXxCno4cddsJ+IZA/neHprooSHipaq6XhBTQTcmLm 59Ow== X-Received: by 10.152.87.46 with SMTP id u14mr49147418laz.82.1426785302290; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (188-67-245-116.bb.dnainternet.fi. [188.67.245.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dz1sm398274lbc.47.2015.03.19.10.15.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <8363.1426784649@sandelman.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:14:58 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20150316203532.05BD21E2@taggart.lackof.org> <123130.1426635142@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <15A0911A-E3B7-440A-A26B-C5E1489EA98B@viagenie.ca> <1426773234.362612992@apps.rackspace.com> <88375E7E-8656-4DB6-8389-89C7B9DD7DF4@viagenie.ca> <8363.1426784649@sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:15:33 -0000 > On 19 Mar, 2015, at 19:04, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > Jim Gettys wrote: >> Moral 1: anything not tested by being used on an ongoing basis, >> doesn't work. >=20 >> Moral 2: Companies like Comcast do not (currently) control their own >> destiny, since they outsourced too much of the technology to others. >=20 > Moral 2 might be something that the C* suite types might actuall get. > I don't know how to get that message there, though. Be careful what you wish for: if the cable companies controlled the = hardware more tightly, how much less experimentation would we be able to = do? The general hackability of your average CPE router is a benefit to = our research efforts, even if the default configuration they come with = is still utterly terrible. - Jonathan Morton