From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bifrost.lang.hm (mail.lang.hm [64.81.33.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C3332021DD for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from asgard.lang.hm (asgard.lang.hm [10.0.0.100]) by bifrost.lang.hm (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id s0D029pD018270; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:02:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: <3BF82F93-07EC-44F8-AF98-2FD156A9A43F@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <3BF82F93-07EC-44F8-AF98-2FD156A9A43F@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="680960-1661023985-1389571329=:6616" Cc: cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Perfection vs. Good Enough X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 00:02:22 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --680960-1661023985-1389571329=:6616 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 11 Jan 2014, Rich Brown wrote: > Folks, > > I am so pleased with the state of CeroWrt. The software has improved enormously, to the point that we all get really good performance from our routers at home. If you want a real eyeful of the progress we’ve made, check list at the bottom of the Release Notes: http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/CeroWrt_310_Release_Notes > > CeroWrt is working great. We have two great testimonials for how it has improved network performance (from Fred Stratton and David Personnette, see https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2014-January/001961.html and https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2014-January/001970.html) > > I have been using 3.10.24-8 at home without hiccups (after I turned on SQM :-) since it was shipped. We’ve got a really great program. > > But - I’m afraid we’re letting perfection be the enemy of the good. Here are a couple indications: Strong agreement from me as well. David Lang > - The rest of the world doesn’t know about this good work. If you look at the front page of the site, we’re recommending CeroWrt 3.7.5-2 from last February. It has Codel, but not much more. Our understanding of the world has expanded by an order of magnitude, but we’re not making it available to anyone. > > - The entire discussion of link layers has held us back. That’s why I proposed to cut back the choices to ATM and None, and let people figure out the details if they want to/have time to optimize. > > - We have tons of updated modules (dnsmasq, IPv6, quagga, mosh) which we should get out to the world. > > - The entire product is much tighter, works better, and we can be proud of it. As Dave Täht pointed out in a recent note: > >> Compared to the orders of magnitude we already get from fq codel, the sum benefit >> of these [Link Layer Adaptation] fixes is in the very small percentage points. > > This is true of the entire CeroWrt build. > > Proposal: > > We should “finish up the last bits” to make 3.10.24-8 (or a close derivative) be a stable release. It has been working fine AFAIK for lots and lots of us. It certainly has been as well tested as other branches. I see the following: > > - Look through the release notes (very bottom of the page at the URL above) and review the items that Dave was worried about for the 3.10.24-8 release > > - Make a decision on Link Layer Adaptation choices, and implement it. > > - What else? > > Best, > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --680960-1661023985-1389571329=:6616--