From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 130E821F180; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id E369AA5; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:56:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1398758170; bh=XZYM49qj3oRRho+RKjAUR5klzpmKCnGWUzsckVcMo5M=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=vEr6VUkasXIWkDU5ZelbLn3nEmYoGy8NEgwRUUTTJoS2UCDhTiSs1feORlwxXauLY cHrNWtUy4I6/gh6G1lwrvHoH0lM0QMDANKKZv+LTGCpflpczOcIiHKSLPpXiYm37IM zlpJeCdPrgRWxSNyYmZ02rAOLhT1vvIimC3oLvu4= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB60BA3; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:56:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "Fred Baker (fred)" In-Reply-To: <4130D000-FE28-4A5E-B824-3371C1602472@cisco.com> Message-ID: References: <4130D000-FE28-4A5E-B824-3371C1602472@cisco.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-577767-1398758170=:29282" Cc: bloat , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , "aqm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [aqm] the side effects of 330ms lag in the real world X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:56:13 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-577767-1398758170=:29282 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > Well, we could discuss international communications. I happen to be at > Infocom in Toronto, VPN’d into Cisco San Jose, and did a ping to you: Yes, but as soon as you hit the long distance network the latency is the same regardless of access method. So while I agree that understanding the effect of latency is important, it's no longer a meaningful way of selling fiber access. If your last-mile is fiber instead of ADSL2+ won't improve your long distance latency. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-577767-1398758170=:29282--