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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Jim Gettys wrote:

> Why would you think the GPON guys are any better in principle than cable or

Fiber != GPON. Fiber in Sweden is 99% active ethernet.

And the advertisement isn't about bufferbloat, I doubt they even know what 
that is... Upside is that the equipment used in Sweden is usually cheap 
ethernet switches which don't have buffering and might also use policing 
instead of shaping which makes bufferbloat problem basically go away, but 
on the other hand creates other problems.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se