From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 430DB21F248 for ; Mon, 26 May 2014 07:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 19D309C; Mon, 26 May 2014 16:11:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1401113481; bh=BhekkyLMF0WBu3RSEi6HG3ao8TNNH9eQNJBMF1WUE70=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Bwq3sRB7c8rtKFzdnqzcNM8fwt08lSswhqQ8nwQW+yygwcqIMzVhueif6nbAAPIMT SVZdWYOyi9QwXsVETNti32hxx48k/WtIxSscDE0lCdNDoDGiIaDqpTUK2u+812cjrU FO/3siHG3unrwagetVInt8CXUYWINdjvwsInq65w= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF579A; Mon, 26 May 2014 16:11:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 16:11:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: dpreed@reed.com In-Reply-To: <1401112879.32226492@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: References: <1401048053.664331760@apps.rackspace.com> <1401079740.21369945@apps.rackspace.com> <1401112879.32226492@apps.rackspace.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:11:24 -0000 On Mon, 26 May 2014, dpreed@reed.com wrote: > I would look to queue minimization rather than "queue management" (which > implied queues are often long) as a goal, and think harder about the > end-to-end problem of minimizing total end-to-end queueing delay while > maximizing throughput. As far as I can tell, this is exactly what CODEL and PIE tries to do. They try to find a decent tradeoff between having queues to make sure the pipe is filled, and not making these queues big enough to seriously affect interactive performance. The latter part looks like what LEDBAT does? Or are you thinking about something else?