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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: "aqm@ietf.org" <aqm@ietf.org>,
	"cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [aqm] ping loss "considered harmful"
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 05:05:18 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1503020500340.20507@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw7KW=9PH002d3Via5ks6+mHScz5VDhpPVqLUGK2K=Mhew@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Dave Taht wrote:

> but wow, it never occurred to me - in all these years - that ping was 
> the next core metric on simple tests. I can be really dumb.
>
> How can we fix this user perception, short of re-prioritizing ping in
> sqm-scripts?

People will make all kinds of judgement calls based on things that are not 
very relevant.

Some people think a traceroute with few hops in it to be better than one 
with more hops in it. So a lot of providers use their MPLS networks and 
make the intermediate nodes not show up in traceroute.

I don't know how many times I have experienced people have used PING and 
opened trouble tickets when a core router had ICMP ping packet loss (even 
though all core router platforms have rate limiters for ICMP).

When you say that you de-prioritize ping, do you mean only ECHO REQUEST 
and ECHO REPLY, or do you mean all ICMP? Perhaps a solution would be to 
assure 5% of the link bandwidth for ICMP?

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-02  4:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-02  3:57 [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
2015-03-02  4:00 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [aqm] " Andrew Mcgregor
2015-03-02  4:05 ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2015-03-02  4:06 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " David Lang
2015-03-02  9:40 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [aqm] " Brian Trammell
2015-03-02 10:17   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-02 10:54     ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2015-03-02 12:44       ` dpreed
2015-03-02 14:45       ` Brian Trammell
2015-03-02 18:41         ` David Lang
2015-03-03  6:45     ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2015-03-04  8:14       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-02 21:53   ` Joe Touch
2015-03-02 23:14     ` David Lang
2015-03-02 23:25       ` Joe Touch
2015-03-02 23:34         ` David Lang
2015-03-03  0:07           ` Andrew Mcgregor
2015-03-02 10:47 ` Dave Dolson
2015-03-02 10:49   ` Andrew Mcgregor
2015-03-02 18:36     ` David Lang
     [not found] ` <md2fsa$o1s$1@ger.gmane.org>
2015-03-02 20:33   ` Dave Dolson
2015-03-02 20:39     ` David Lang
2015-03-02 20:38   ` Dave Taht
2015-03-04  8:12     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-03 17:20 ` Fred Baker (fred)
2015-03-03 17:29   ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Wesley Eddy
2015-03-03 18:00     ` [Cerowrt-devel] [aqm] [Bloat] " Fred Baker (fred)
2015-03-04  5:24       ` Dave Taht
2015-03-05 18:56         ` Curtis Villamizar
2015-03-05 19:50           ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] [aqm] " Rich Brown
2015-03-04 17:34       ` [Cerowrt-devel] [aqm] [Bloat] " dpreed
2015-03-04 19:45         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-05 20:38 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Matt Taggart
2015-03-05 20:53   ` Dave Taht

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