From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FA5121F942; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 02:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3C621A1; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:55:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1441706158; bh=PFKpvD6Lto/WfYL5zCnT2WWAH8rM4oNVLbXtKNEZ8cg=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=1hfRJGWEbUARkP6X6dy9wZQ/Ab7NErGLuNr8GFlZsm/qEBtk9Q8Ecmh3pu8I2JYfi pSTswVPND0Wx3uuwJYlEI807rhVddAa1DbfF0NW1MkpjGV90qIGm8qa3bFbbxuL0yx LJUbnCgXb8dGVffrQohR7JpaBiV28AxQPvDdoKmw= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3704E9F; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:55:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3622_1441530152_55EC0128_3622_12857_1_trq0v99audwl95cwathr8odm.1441530143942@email.android.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-1312414665-1441706158=:8750" Cc: "make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" , cerowrt-devel , fcc@lists.prplfoundation.org, bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] RE : Save WiFi from the FCC - DEADLINE is in 3 days *September* 8 X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:56:23 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-1312414665-1441706158=:8750 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 8 Sep 2015, Dave Taht wrote: > Well, no... we need the concept of "the public's" spectrum, also. What does that mean? Only devices that have FOSS firmware are allowed to send in this spectrum? Because I actually fail to see the fundamental difference to spectrum I use to communicate from my purchased devices from VENDOR1 and VENDOR2 that I run myself, and my purchased device I use to communicate that are from VENDOR1 and VENDOR2 where the device from VENDOR2 is run by a mobile provider. I mean, do we rule out wifi networks run by providers? Now, I will admit that I have no idea how LTE-U looks like on RF, but what's so different about it compared to the different other things sending in there like Bluetooth and wifi (and wifi has many different encodings). >>> One failed concept in america, at least, is the idea of a commons - as in >>> a tragedy of the commons - elsewhere, for example, "public lands" are >>> actually "the queen's" lands and people tend to treat them with more >>> respect. >> >> >> Yes, in sweden we have something called (translated) "Rights of public >> access" to land for instance, I'm allowed to go camping in someone elses >> forest as long as it's noncommercial and I leave it as I found it. > > What is the word, actually? "Allemansrätten". Literally "everymansright". > Well, pushing the responsibility back on the actual users of the > technology is fine by me. Enforcement seems only to be of a concern on > the DFS channels around a limited number of airports. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-1312414665-1441706158=:8750--