From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bifrost.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D67883B2B2; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from asgard.lang.hm (asgard.lang.hm [10.0.0.100]) by bifrost.lang.hm (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id u2D1450Y021532; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:04:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:04:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Adrian Chadd cc: Henning Rogge , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 01:04:15 -0000 On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 12 March 2016 at 11:14, Henning Rogge wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Wayne Workman >> wrote: >>> I understand that Broadcom was paid to develop the Pi, a totally free board. >>> >>> And they already make wireless chipsets. >> >> The question is how easy would it be to build a modern 802.11ac >> halfmac chip... the amount of work these chips do (especially with 3*3 >> or 4*4 MIMO) is not trivial. > > It's not that scary - most of the latency sensitive things are: > > * channel change - eg background scans > * calibration related things - but most slow calibration could be done > via firmware commands, like the intel chips do! > * transmit a-mpdu / retransmit > * transmit rate control adaptation > * receiving / block-ack things - which is mostly done in hardware anyway > * likely some power save transition-y things too you are ignoring MU-MIMO, the ability to transmit different signals from each antenna so that the interference patterns from the different signals result in different readable data depending on where the receiver is in relation to the access point is not a trivial thing. But it's one of the most valuable features in the spec. David Lang