From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EA313B2A0 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 13024A4; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:00:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1474480843; bh=97bq9ppt+mFiBBlvWbmCI5m9ktoWVAXbTw6IhdoeeU0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hth0emDuOO9ay/GGVahpvC+dNLzK8D93OiIJjVjadjr7G/uTZc5vjzUxom4Y8iEpL RkPFeW9NefH8+j/rKZSjevJ+ji+oEbhEJwdskIhVBdqD60P1o6vFpedMmnWhIwsefU 7Nyy1Pxr/lNcvL/xOWdWGIyWF09AOKS+IS5qYJPk= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A4A3; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:00:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:00:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: dpreed@reed.com cc: Alan Jenkins , Jonathan Morton , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: <1474477488.832416984@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: References: <1474146692.035424358@mobile.rackspace.com> <1474403262.975213436@apps.rackspace.com> <4a1fd48e-b1c4-2e75-d55a-417a83a572d4@gmail.com> <1474477488.832416984@apps.rackspace.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] BBR congestion control algorithm for TCP innet-next X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:00:47 -0000 On Wed, 21 Sep 2016, dpreed@reed.com wrote: > Of course, the best propaganda is the stuff that you can get engineers > in the field to promulgate based on their "gut feel". Yes, I guess people who have been staring at traffic graphs and Netflow collector system output for 10-15 years have no insight into what and how much traffic is going where. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se