From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bifrost.lang.hm (lang.hm [66.167.227.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E7203B2A4 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from asgard.lang.hm (asgard.lang.hm [10.0.0.100]) by bifrost.lang.hm (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id vBFNEGWH027918; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:14:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: =?UTF-8?Q?Joel_Wir=C4=81mu_Pauling?= cc: David Reed , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1513358282.897128026@apps.rackspace.com> <72295b28-0574-40fc-fbe8-97881e2a362a@ntlworld.com> <1513372284.081220590@apps.rackspace.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:14:20 -0000 There are two different issues here. 1. the last mile ISP plays games with the traffic for their own benefit (and thir competitors detriment) 2. the government wants to spy on everybody It's possible for the VPN tunnel providers to solve problem #1 without solving problem #2 k