From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" <joel@aenertia.net>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave@taht.net>,
"cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:18:49 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1712041109310.8884@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKiAkGQf=cwQDHPE-qXjib6zxbi+_TAw7wNfGFgKtLn5QX4g6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:
> I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But I
> refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A
> depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase
> distribution circuit.
That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near
5-10 years.
> This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what the
> market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable
> service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial
> access networks.
Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter. Sounds
to me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the
2-3 gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I
typically see on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual
subscriptions are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the
entire solution can deliver).
> The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post
> Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT point
> in the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can
> deliver Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it,
> and right now there isn't a good technology platform that supports it;
> 10GBase-X/10GBaseT is a non-starter due to the variability in home
> wiring - arguably the 7 year leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a
> gap of 12 years and counting for the same.. it's not just the NIC's and
> CPU's in the gateways it's the connector and in-home wiring problems as
> well.
As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything
involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide use
in home/SME in the next 5 years.
> Blatant Plug - request :
> I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very
> topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home'
> https://linux.conf.au/ at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you
> have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be
> happy for me to include in my talk, please include.
I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE
24port managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price
jumps up a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even
though they're not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE,
but I guess I'm an outlier.
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Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-12-04 10:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-12-03 17:44 [Cerowrt-devel] quad core arm Dave Taht
2017-12-03 18:18 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-03 19:18 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-03 19:55 ` Dave Taht
2017-12-03 20:47 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 4:19 ` [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today Dave Taht
2017-12-04 9:13 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 9:31 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:18 ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2017-12-04 10:27 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:43 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:47 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:57 ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:59 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:44 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 19:59 ` dpreed
2017-12-08 7:05 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-12 15:09 ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-12 18:36 ` Dave Taht
2017-12-12 22:53 ` dpreed
2017-12-12 23:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 10:20 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-13 10:45 ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-13 15:26 ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 16:41 ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 18:08 ` dpreed
2017-12-13 19:55 ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 21:06 ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-14 8:22 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 21:37 ` Benjamin Cronce
2017-12-18 8:11 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 11:52 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-18 7:50 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-19 17:55 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-27 15:15 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2018-01-20 11:55 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:41 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:56 ` [Cerowrt-devel] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: [Bloat] DC behaviors today) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:00 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: " Dave Taht
2017-12-04 20:49 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-07 8:43 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-07 8:49 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:19 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-03 19:49 ` [Cerowrt-devel] quad core arm Dave Taht
2017-12-04 0:19 ` Michael Richardson
2017-12-04 23:18 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-04 0:11 ` Michael Richardson
2017-12-04 0:34 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 23:40 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-04 23:58 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-05 10:13 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-12-06 8:59 ` Dave Taht
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