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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" <joel@aenertia.net>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave@taht.net>,
	 "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	 bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:18:49 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1712041109310.8884@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKiAkGQf=cwQDHPE-qXjib6zxbi+_TAw7wNfGFgKtLn5QX4g6Q@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

> I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But I
> refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A
> depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase
> distribution circuit.

That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near 
5-10 years.

> This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what the
> market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable
> service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial
> access networks.

Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter. Sounds 
to me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the 
2-3 gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I 
typically see on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual 
subscriptions are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the 
entire solution can deliver).

> The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post 
> Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT point 
> in the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can 
> deliver Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it, 
> and right now there isn't a good technology platform that supports it; 
> 10GBase-X/10GBaseT is a non-starter due to the variability in home 
> wiring - arguably the 7 year leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a 
> gap of 12 years and counting for the same.. it's not just the NIC's and 
> CPU's in the gateways it's the connector and in-home wiring problems as 
> well.

As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything 
involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide use 
in home/SME in the next 5 years.

> Blatant Plug - request :
> I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very
> topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home'
> https://linux.conf.au/ at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you
> have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be
> happy for me to include in my talk, please include.

I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE 
24port managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price 
jumps up a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even 
though they're not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE, 
but I guess I'm an outlier.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-04 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-03 17:44 [Cerowrt-devel] quad core arm Dave Taht
2017-12-03 18:18 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-03 19:18 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-03 19:55   ` Dave Taht
2017-12-03 20:47     ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04  4:19       ` [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today Dave Taht
2017-12-04  9:13         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04  9:31           ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:18             ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2017-12-04 10:27               ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:43                 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:47                   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:57                     ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:59                       ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:44                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 19:59                         ` dpreed
2017-12-08  7:05                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-12 15:09                             ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-12 18:36                               ` Dave Taht
2017-12-12 22:53                                 ` dpreed
2017-12-12 23:20                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 10:20                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-13 10:45                                   ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-13 15:26                                   ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 16:41                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 18:08                                       ` dpreed
2017-12-13 19:55                                         ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 21:06                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-14  8:22                                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 21:37                                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2017-12-18  8:11                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 11:52                                 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-18  7:50                                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-19 17:55                                     ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-27 15:15                                       ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2018-01-20 11:55                                 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:41                 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:56         ` [Cerowrt-devel] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: [Bloat] DC behaviors today) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:00           ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: " Dave Taht
2017-12-04 20:49             ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-07  8:43             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-07  8:49             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:19           ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-03 19:49 ` [Cerowrt-devel] quad core arm Dave Taht
2017-12-04  0:19   ` Michael Richardson
2017-12-04 23:18   ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-04  0:11 ` Michael Richardson
2017-12-04  0:34   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 23:40 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-04 23:58   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-05 10:13   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-12-06  8:59     ` Dave Taht

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