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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	 "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	 bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat]  DC behaviors today
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:20:35 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1712131114190.8884@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJq5cE2aj6JLnUWO+Wyp2xbOMaomvNojYE4zEnGvtfpwXrYOmg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Jonathan Morton wrote:

> Occasionally, of course, practically everyone in the country wants to 
> tune into coverage of some event at the same time.  More commonly, they 
> simply get home from work and school at the same time every day.  That 
> breaks the assumptions behind pure statistical multiplexing, and 
> requires a greater provisioning factor.

Reasonable operators have provisioning guidelines that look at actual 
usage, although they probably look at it in 5 minute averages and not 
millisecond as done here in this context.

So they might say "if busy hour average is over 50% 3 days in a week" this 
will trigger a provisioning alarm for that link, and the person (or 
system) will take a more detailed look and look at 5minute average graph 
and decide if this needs to be upgraded or not.

For me the interesting point is always "what's going on in busy hour of 
the day" and never "what's the monthly average transferred amount of 
data".

Of course, this can hide subsecond bufferbloat extremely well (and has), 
but at least this is typically how statistical overprovisioning is done. 
You look at actual usage and make sure your network is never full for any 
sustained amount of time, in normal operation, and make sure you perform 
upgrades well before the growth has resulted in network being full.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-13 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-03 17:44 [Cerowrt-devel] quad core arm Dave Taht
2017-12-03 18:18 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-03 19:18 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-03 19:55   ` Dave Taht
2017-12-03 20:47     ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04  4:19       ` [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today Dave Taht
2017-12-04  9:13         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04  9:31           ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:18             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:27               ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:43                 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:47                   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:57                     ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:59                       ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:44                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 19:59                         ` dpreed
2017-12-08  7:05                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-12 15:09                             ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-12 18:36                               ` Dave Taht
2017-12-12 22:53                                 ` dpreed
2017-12-12 23:20                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 10:20                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2017-12-13 10:45                                   ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-13 15:26                                   ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 16:41                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 18:08                                       ` dpreed
2017-12-13 19:55                                         ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 21:06                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-14  8:22                                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 21:37                                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2017-12-18  8:11                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 11:52                                 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-18  7:50                                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-19 17:55                                     ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-27 15:15                                       ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2018-01-20 11:55                                 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:41                 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:56         ` [Cerowrt-devel] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: [Bloat] DC behaviors today) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:00           ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: " Dave Taht
2017-12-04 20:49             ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-07  8:43             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-07  8:49             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:19           ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-03 19:49 ` [Cerowrt-devel] quad core arm Dave Taht
2017-12-04  0:19   ` Michael Richardson
2017-12-04 23:18   ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-04  0:11 ` Michael Richardson
2017-12-04  0:34   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 23:40 ` Matt Taggart
2017-12-04 23:58   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-05 10:13   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-12-06  8:59     ` Dave Taht

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