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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" <joel@aenertia.net>
Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] LCA 2018 talk available
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:59:46 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802151032560.3478@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKiAkGRZ=c-YnuKDdcWcpONArvTjreviPhJi5FU0vx-FLfM6cA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2018, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

> If  POF (Plastic Optical Fibre) like install methods can be scaled up
> to Polymer/Glass runs (Sharpie knife slicing/jam into receptor). I
> don't see this being the problem. Depending on the Sheathing fibre is
> just as good as UTP cabling. Magnitudes cheaper too.
>
> When I learnt of POF I was excited, until I learned how it's severely
> limited in the bandwidth/frequency transmission department.
>
> I guess if we could get some sort of Clamp-on USB-C style adaptor for
> fibre would probably be the ideal. I don't really see why this
> couldn't work with MPO style fibre.

Problem with multimode fibers (that I imagine all above are) is that they 
have really low reach at higher speeds. So if your goal is to support 100G 
cheaply, I doubt the above will work very well.

Looking at:

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6192181/

"100G transmission over GI-POF is demonstrated by using 112-Gb/s 
PolMux-QPSK modulation and digital coherent detection. The transmission 
distance over 100m and simplified coupling method is suitable for optical 
data-center applications."

PolMux-QPSK is never going to be cheap'n'easy, it requires substantial 
amount of components and processing power at both ends of the fiber.

For cheap GI-POF 1000BASE-RH has been defined 
http://www.ieee802.org/3/GEPOFSG/email/pdfKiCuEsVuMv.pdf but it's only 
1GE. I doubt POF is a solution to your 10GE/100GE transmission speeds 
requirement.

So I think the conclusion basically is: 10GE and up is hard. There are 
real physical limitations here. I would be very happy if we could prove 
Shannon wrong. :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theorem

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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2018-01-25  3:30     ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2018-02-14 11:33       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-02-14 11:45         ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2018-02-14 11:45           ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2018-02-14 13:21           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-02-14 22:13             ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2018-02-15  9:59               ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]

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