From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03CFD3B2A4; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 01:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 72823AF; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 07:47:40 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1535003260; bh=DNgfcCkcw9upSu+LLh08FcUDt2W4BqgadgQgfJwawyw=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=PuDs9tzRHUS0GAfUaZ0ZgwCtBtr4jSLT2eClnniPzlOvPxoA8mNQPQKPVvS4gC5H1 sIdtynTO2GDtLztsBOKfxq7gHvkaJqfx6GdtYg6WrA3/37iHi+GyOlVMb7W64JNAxD 7DMlxG4Wh0MMne5MX8ekh4HADBM1g1NwKQwfm/08= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2889F; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 07:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 07:47:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht cc: bloat , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] beating the drum for BQL X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 05:47:42 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Dave Taht wrote: > I/we really should have beat the bql drum harder over the last 6 years. > It's the basic start to all the debloating. It only helps with kernel based forwarding. A lot of devices don't even use this, especially as speeds go up. They use packet accelerators so the kernel never sees the packets after initial flow setup. So you need to get the people developing that silicon to get with the program. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se