From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5638A3B29E; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 01:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id A40C4AF; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 07:02:28 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1549260148; bh=3dvYs1jdd7ENM5b9mlJxrN+M+epQXJO4sNVPg9JYyhI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Ze8TqvEJMykicYHhb9jAruQsz4ceLNKI7dYCNCucIxrT62RVX5fRwen7BhLWe355u 7pjjlaGphSh4NQSwAgPsMQuLH63nrQXrgY5VdN7oghaBp8S2N+mBpn9GHyjqBT6rS8 Bwcab+vkEiEpuHj5+ppjUOKPao1T+pXbnSTuTQfY= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11289F; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 07:02:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 07:02:28 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "David P. Reed" cc: Dave Taht , Cake List , cerowrt-devel In-Reply-To: <1549233729.17269312@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: References: <1549233729.17269312@apps.rackspace.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-06 is in last call X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 06:02:30 -0000 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, David P. Reed wrote: > This fairy story about traffic giving way to higher priority traffic > being a normal mode of operation is just that. A made up story, largely > used by folks who want to do selective pricing based on what customers > are willing to pay, not on value received. (that's a business story, The point of PHB LE is so that the customer access shaper can background the customer LE traffic. It's not intended to be used by ISPs on their core links, it's intended for use on the customer access port. If the customer buys 10 megabit/s Internet access then it's beneficial for the customer if the software update download doesn't affect the netflix stream and the kids' gameplay. Thus why we're trying to differentiate between BE and LE. FQ or CAKE can solve the gameplay, but it can't make the netflix stream get 90% of the rest of the capacity and give 5% to the software download. LE marking the software download traffic can do that. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se