Good point about separating concerns. I would suggest that home router to POP encryption would satisfy the first. End to end encryption can be done at the endpoints on, as it should be.

The home router to POP link need not be tappable for the NSA for it to spy. It is not end to end.

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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 6:14 PM
To: Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Cc: David Reed; cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

There are two different issues here.

1. the last mile ISP plays games with the traffic for their own benefit (and
thir competitors detriment)

2. the government wants to spy on everybody

It's possible for the VPN tunnel providers to solve problem #1 without solving
problem #2

k