From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
Luca Muscariello <muscariello@ieee.org>,
Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Leonard Kleinrock <lk@cs.ucla.edu>,
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
cerowrt-devel <cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:06:20 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2108022004170.810590@qynat-yncgbc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHb6LvpK48u+8coP1pWJVjva_jYaQa-bGuArAGnf8ku-=xoSBw@mail.gmail.com>
that matrix cannot create asymmetric paths (at least, not unless you are also
tinkering with power settings on the nodes), and will have trouble making hidden
transmitters (station A can hear station B and C but B and C cannot tell the
other exists) as a node can hear that something is transmitting at much lower
power levels than it cn decode the signal.
David Lang
On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 4:16 PM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>
>> If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include
>> the
>> ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF, not with wired
>> networks and
>> are commonly overlooked
>>
>> 1. station A can hear station B and C but they cannot hear each other
>> 2. station A can hear station B but station B cannot hear station A
>> 3. station A can hear that station B is transmitting, but not with a
>> strong
>> enough signal to decode the signal (yes in theory you can work around
>> interference, but in practice interference is still a real thing)
>>
>> David Lang
>>
>>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-03 3:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-01 0:12 [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02 1:16 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-02 4:04 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-02 16:11 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-07-02 17:07 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02 23:28 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 13:46 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " Ben Greear
2021-07-06 20:43 ` [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 21:24 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " Ben Greear
2021-07-06 22:05 ` [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-07 13:34 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " Ben Greear
2021-07-07 19:19 ` [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-08 19:38 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " David P. Reed
2021-07-08 22:51 ` [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 3:08 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 10:05 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Luca Muscariello
2021-07-09 19:31 ` [Cerowrt-devel] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point David P. Reed
2021-07-09 20:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 22:57 ` [Bloat] " Holland, Jake
2021-07-09 23:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-09 23:01 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 23:56 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-07-17 23:56 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] " Aaron Wood
2021-07-10 19:51 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-10 23:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 13:46 ` [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2021-07-12 17:40 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " David P. Reed
2021-07-12 18:21 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 18:38 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 19:07 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:32 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:36 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-07-12 20:50 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:42 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 7:14 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Amr Rizk
2021-07-13 17:07 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:49 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " David P. Reed
2021-07-14 18:37 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-15 1:27 ` Holland, Jake
2021-07-16 0:34 ` Bob McMahon
[not found] ` <A5E35F34-A4D5-45B1-8E2D-E2F6DE988A1E@cs.ucla.edu>
2021-07-22 16:30 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:22 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-17 23:29 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Aaron Wood
2021-07-18 19:06 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 21:54 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] " Jonathan Morton
2021-09-20 1:21 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
2021-09-20 4:00 ` Valdis Klētnieks
2021-09-20 4:09 ` David Lang
2021-09-20 21:30 ` David P. Reed
2021-09-20 21:44 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] " David P. Reed
2021-09-20 12:57 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " Steve Crocker
2021-09-20 16:36 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] " John Sager
2021-09-21 2:40 ` [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Vint Cerf
2021-09-23 17:46 ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-26 18:24 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " David P. Reed
2021-10-22 0:51 ` TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT applied to e2e TCP msg latency Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 3:11 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Stuart Cheshire
2021-10-26 4:24 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2021-10-26 18:45 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-26 23:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 23:38 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-27 1:12 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Eric Dumazet
2021-10-27 3:45 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 5:40 ` [Cerowrt-devel] " Eric Dumazet
2021-10-28 16:04 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-29 21:16 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 5:32 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 10:04 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " Bjørn Ivar Teigen
2021-10-26 17:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 14:29 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2021-08-02 22:59 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board Bob McMahon
2021-08-02 23:16 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " David Lang
2021-08-02 23:50 ` [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 3:06 ` David Lang [this message]
2021-08-02 23:55 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Ben Greear
2021-08-03 0:01 ` [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 3:12 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " David Lang
2021-08-03 3:23 ` [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 4:30 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " David Lang
2021-08-03 4:38 ` [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 4:44 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " David Lang
2021-08-03 16:01 ` [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 4:35 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:04 ` [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 5:04 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:07 ` [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 14:10 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] " Rodney W. Grimes
2021-08-10 16:13 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 17:06 ` [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 17:56 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-10 18:11 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 19:21 ` [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 20:16 ` [Cerowrt-devel] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page! Dick Roy
2021-08-10 20:33 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " Jeremy Austin
2021-08-10 20:44 ` David Lang
2021-08-10 22:54 ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-02 17:36 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board David P. Reed
2021-09-03 14:35 ` [Bloat] [Cake] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Matt Mathis
2021-09-03 18:33 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] [Cake] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " David P. Reed
2021-08-03 0:37 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-08-03 1:24 ` [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 5:07 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:15 ` [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 18:36 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Aaron Wood
2021-08-08 18:48 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-08-08 19:58 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] [Cerowrt-devel] " Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 4:20 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
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