[Cerowrt-users] Missing packages in CeroWrt repository

[Cerowrt-users] Missing packages in CeroWrt repository

[Paul Tow]

I installed CeroWrt two days ago and have noticed that some packages are 
missing from its repository. Specifically, nginx, rtorrent, tmux, and 
screen are in the official OpenWrt trunk repository for ar71xx ( 
http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/ar71xx/packages/ ), but not 
in the CeroWrt repository. Why is this?

Is it possible for me to list multiple repositories in /etc/opkg.conf, 
and somehow specify their priority? Then I could set it to prefer 
packages from the CeroWrt repository, but still have access to packages 
that are only in the official OpenWrt repository. The opkg page on the 
OpenWrt Wiki ( 
http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/opkg?s[]=etc&s[]=opkg&s[]=conf#configuration 
) doesn't make it clear if this kind of setup is possible.

Speaking of nginx, I've read that it uses less CPU and RAM than lighttpd 
and is more actively developed, so I'm curious why CeroWrt's developers 
chose lighttpd instead. Does nginx have a problem or a lack of needed 
functionality, or was it not considered?

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Web_Server_Performance_Comparison
http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/lighttpd_vs_nginx
http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/http.nginx
http://nginx.org/en/

CeroWrt is a great project and I appreciate the work its developers do. 
Thank you!

Re: [Cerowrt-users] Missing packages in CeroWrt repository

[R.]

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Great post, Paul. Looks like nginx is indeed the better option in terms of
performance and stability. Though, going through your links, I noticed
this: "Lighttpd has had support for IPv6 for a long time. IPv6 support for
nginx is in the
<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.nginx.english/9979/focus=9989>
works".

I suppose the devs might have a better answer to provide.
On Jul 31, 2014 4:34 AM, "Paul Tow" <macskeeball@gmail.com> wrote:

> I installed CeroWrt two days ago and have noticed that some packages are
> missing from its repository. Specifically, nginx, rtorrent, tmux, and
> screen are in the official OpenWrt trunk repository for ar71xx (
> http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/ar71xx/packages/ ), but not
> in the CeroWrt repository. Why is this?
>
> Is it possible for me to list multiple repositories in /etc/opkg.conf, and
> somehow specify their priority? Then I could set it to prefer packages from
> the CeroWrt repository, but still have access to packages that are only in
> the official OpenWrt repository. The opkg page on the OpenWrt Wiki (
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/opkg?s[]=etc&s[]=opkg&
> s[]=conf#configuration ) doesn't make it clear if this kind of setup is
> possible.
>
> Speaking of nginx, I've read that it uses less CPU and RAM than lighttpd
> and is more actively developed, so I'm curious why CeroWrt's developers
> chose lighttpd instead. Does nginx have a problem or a lack of needed
> functionality, or was it not considered?
>
> http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Web_Server_Performance_Comparison
> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/lighttpd_vs_nginx
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/http.nginx
> http://nginx.org/en/
>
> CeroWrt is a great project and I appreciate the work its developers do.
> Thank you!
> _______________________________________________
> Cerowrt-users mailing list
> Cerowrt-users@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-users
>

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Re: [Cerowrt-users] Missing packages in CeroWrt repository

[Paul Tow]

The IPv6 comment was from February 2009. Nginx has added IPv6 since then.

On 07/31/2014 07:48 AM, R. wrote:
>
> Great post, Paul. Looks like nginx is indeed the better option in 
> terms of performance and stability. Though, going through your links, 
> I noticed this: "Lighttpd has had support for IPv6 for a long time. 
> IPv6 support for nginx is in the 
> <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.nginx.english/9979/focus=9989>works".
>
> I suppose the devs might have a better answer to provide.
>
> On Jul 31, 2014 4:34 AM, "Paul Tow" <macskeeball@gmail.com 
> <mailto:macskeeball@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I installed CeroWrt two days ago and have noticed that some
>     packages are missing from its repository. Specifically, nginx,
>     rtorrent, tmux, and screen are in the official OpenWrt trunk
>     repository for ar71xx (
>     http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/ar71xx/packages/ ),
>     but not in the CeroWrt repository. Why is this?
>
>     Is it possible for me to list multiple repositories in
>     /etc/opkg.conf, and somehow specify their priority? Then I could
>     set it to prefer packages from the CeroWrt repository, but still
>     have access to packages that are only in the official OpenWrt
>     repository. The opkg page on the OpenWrt Wiki (
>     http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/opkg?s[]=etc&s[]=opkg&s[]=conf#configuration
>     ) doesn't make it clear if this kind of setup is possible.
>
>     Speaking of nginx, I've read that it uses less CPU and RAM than
>     lighttpd and is more actively developed, so I'm curious why
>     CeroWrt's developers chose lighttpd instead. Does nginx have a
>     problem or a lack of needed functionality, or was it not considered?
>
>     http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Web_Server_Performance_Comparison
>     http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/lighttpd_vs_nginx
>     http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/http.nginx
>     http://nginx.org/en/
>
>     CeroWrt is a great project and I appreciate the work its
>     developers do. Thank you!
>     _______________________________________________
>     Cerowrt-users mailing list
>     Cerowrt-users@lists.bufferbloat.net
>     <mailto:Cerowrt-users@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>     https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-users
>

Re: [Cerowrt-users] Missing packages in CeroWrt repository

[Dave Taht]

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I note that the cerowrt-devel list is far more used than cerowrt-users, and
you should use that rather than this at this point. Also the #openwrt-devel
and #bufferbloat irc channels on irc are good.




On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Paul Tow <macskeeball@gmail.com> wrote:

> I installed CeroWrt two days ago and have noticed that some packages are
> missing from its repository. Specifically, nginx, rtorrent, tmux, and
> screen are in the official OpenWrt trunk repository for ar71xx (
> http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/ar71xx/packages/ ), but not
> in the CeroWrt repository. Why is this?
>
>
It takes 10+ hours to build all of openwrt serially and about 3 in
parallel. It takes 27 minutes to build cerowrt with it's more limited
package set - and I often have to burn time I don't have to fix some
obscure package or another. Given our limited resources and time, what I'd
done was pick a "good" package representative of a need - and just do that,
rather than have to support and build the entire smorgasbord. I generally
do add packages to the build for which there is a demonstrated need...

As for torrent, we basically chose transmission as the most useful,
flexible torrent daemon... (think also utorrent is in there, but haven't
checked). as for ngnix, at the time we were making package selections (3
years back) lighttpd was smaller and faster. nginx has come a long way
since then, and while I've considered switching, lighttpd is still
reasonably maintained and more importantly, gave no trouble.

Screen run as root has some security issues, and in my own case I've mostly
switched to using mosh, which has a partial port done for it in cerowrt.
I'd rather fix mosh than add screen, but I can see how it's a desirable
utility. Not sure what tmux is used for nowadays.


> Is it possible for me to list multiple repositories in /etc/opkg.conf, and
> somehow specify their priority? Then I could set it to prefer packages from
> the CeroWrt repository, but still have access to packages that are only in
> the official OpenWrt repository. The opkg page on the OpenWrt Wiki (
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/opkg?s[]=etc&s[]=opkg&
> s[]=conf#configuration ) doesn't make it clear if this kind of setup is
> possible.
>

The core problem I forsee is that mixing and matching binary package
repositories will ultimately lead to some sort of toolchain mismatch.


>
> Speaking of nginx, I've read that it uses less CPU and RAM than lighttpd
> and is more actively developed, so I'm curious why CeroWrt's developers
> chose lighttpd instead. Does nginx have a problem or a lack of needed
> functionality, or was it not considered?
>
> http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Web_Server_Performance_Comparison
> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/lighttpd_vs_nginx
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/http.nginx
> http://nginx.org/en/
>
> CeroWrt is a great project and I appreciate the work its developers do.
> Thank you!
>

Thanks for joining us. How is your SQM working?


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