From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52772201251; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbcwz7 with SMTP id wz7so4398081pbc.16 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=p6D12pXWchb4mZlC0qQ1AlxTJHv390r4QuK5LAGzF4Y=; b=g7sCfHLn5LEV+Srhv2/l0C2VRhy5Ern+VbJ4DdbbtSsYhUWF0IIrIjWcw1ptufDFc7 MHGe/H/TBl1BXnxf10Q5HFbXuS5/O9s1UTkVPL1g6sG9cdmPPff0MyrAxCDBA2krv+Fr wphv6qP1JEHtZkFUqPyRlenLgetiOdVbMjGNysyjGq0YSfvGwAZPpkRLaUepW2FY1ruo lYF5wglSQm66eVTS719ovDKUGGKS+qJcGOc3wGa9dt8yefTgu1ZQrI/lLWtcdR3O3Hid I2b3kE213XUArB9/89Fi4oTGSouLHtFc3UAos36zl4mQYCUpTjDKa+CD4hzEwswQEwxZ JPfg== Received: by 10.68.194.170 with SMTP id hx10mr12307599pbc.119.1336684815526; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:20:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <532BA404-30FF-4395-9575-709A68E4C723@gmail.com> <1336631707.27520.136.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <1336633359.27520.147.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <1336660932.27520.152.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <1336660932.27520.152.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jim Gettys Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:20:13 -0400 Message-ID: <-8382073463961307190@unknownmsgid> To: David Woodhouse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Codel] [Bloat] The challenge X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:20:16 -0000 Talk to Bob Brisco, who is on the bloat list. Jim On May 10, 2012, at 10:43 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 10:25 -0400, Justin McCann wrote: >> Can't they turn on Early Packet Discard or something similar? This >> seems like a no-brainer. > > This is British Telecom we're talking about. > > No, we cannot expect them to do *anything* even half sane. > > The ISP has clue, and the PPP session handled by BT's DSLAM is > terminated in an L2TP session on their LNS. For the foreseeable future, > that is where any queue management has to happen. > > -- > dwmw2 > _______________________________________________ > Codel mailing list > Codel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/codel